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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by rvz »

jedimastert wrote: post #20

I'm really curious and somewhat worried about what the economic effect of this is going to be. There are a number of legitimate small businesses that saw a lot of, if not all of, their business and customer base through TikTok. Business that just will not be able to make the move to somewhere else. I personally know musicians, actors, and artists that got a lot of work through TikTok. People who actually create thing…

Did nothing to India with its 1B+ users when it was banned there 4 years ago. They just either used a VPN or just moved on.

While I disagree with the ban, I'd rather have a sensible fine just like the ones for Meta, Google (YouTube) and others. At one point it also might have temporarily saved someone's chronic addiction to the platform, then they'll just find another platform to get hooked on.

But for now nature is healing.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by dzhiurgis »

jedimastert wrote: post #20

I'm really curious and somewhat worried about what the economic effect of this is going to be. There are a number of legitimate small businesses that saw a lot of, if not all of, their business and customer base through TikTok. Business that just will not be able to make the move to somewhere else. I personally know musicians, actors, and artists that got a lot of work through TikTok. People who actually create thing…

I think national security might be more important than couple of small entertainment businesses.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by titaniumtown »

HaZeust wrote: post #46

I'd like to discuss the pop-up's content. If it comes out to be that one guy, President Trump, CAN pass an executive order that effectively ignores a law that Congress passed AND the Supreme court upheld unanimously, it's a very dangerous precedent.

I think we're beyond creating dangerous precedent at this point. He'll do what he wants and no one can stop him.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by frem »

This is unfortunate for women in the US, many of whom were using TikTok to raise consciousness of 4B, a protest movement originating in South Korea that calls for women to fight widespread societal misogyny and boycott men. It went viral on TikTok in the US after Trump's win in November and has been steadily increasing in reach and impact since.

Hopefully this movement will continue on other social media. Though unfortunately none are quite as light on censorship as TikTok is for feminist voices, often unfairly framing these as "hate".

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by forgingahead »

paxys wrote: post #57
jedimastert wrote: post #20

I'm really curious and somewhat worried about what the economic effect of this is going to be. There are a number of legitimate small businesses that saw a lot of, if not all of, their business and customer base through TikTok. Business that just will not be able to make the move to somewhere else. I personally know musicians, actors, and artists that got a lot of work through TikTok. People who actually create thing…

There's nothing inherently special about TikTok. It just happens to be the hot social media platform right now. There were plenty before it and there will be plenty after it. There will be a short period of adjustment and eventually everyone will move on to something else. People aren't going to stop listening to music or buying things.

This is a typical HN "marketing is stupid" post. TikTok organic and paid are some of the best drivers of leads and sales for businesses, same like FB and Google are as well.

Handwaving TT away as "another social media platform" is like comparing Friendster or MySpace with the ad machine that FB has built. There are countless businesses that will be impacted by this.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by GoofballJones »

I don't have the app, but from what I can tell, using a VPN doesn't help either. I guess when you downloaded it from the U.S. Android/Apple app stores, it flags you somehow, so a VPN can't help?

Dunno, I'm wayyyy out of the loop on all of this.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by seb1204 »

starfezzy wrote: post #67
vunderba wrote: post #13

So I have a relatively large extended family covering a wide age range and we talk pretty frequently in a shared SMS group - most of them have noted the ban with a passing level of irritation but nobody's "freaking out" like if you lost access to a platform like Facebook, Twitter, or Discord that's more oriented around communication rather than consumption. I understand that people spend a lot of time doomscrolling o…

Except for people who's income depends on it. And their families. And their friends.

Most things sold there appear to be cheap, fast waste products. happy to have them gone and their unsustainable practices.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

GoofballJones wrote: post #78

I don't have the app, but from what I can tell, using a VPN doesn't help either. I guess when you downloaded it from the U.S. Android/Apple app stores, it flags you somehow, so a VPN can't help? Dunno, I'm wayyyy out of the loop on all of this.

If that's the case, you could download it from a non-US app store and it should just work...unless TikTok is doing some denial based on from IP address, then you need foreign TikTok + VPN (or at least a way to mask your IP address being American in origin). At least the USA doesn't have a great firewall (yet?), so they aren't going to block it that way (or maybe they can buy the tech from Huawei, which they adapted from Cisco in the first place).
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