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Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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ditch the former?

I really dislike the use of former and latter. It’s confusing, people get it wrong, and it can be interpreted at least two different ways to make it ambiguous.

I agree that it tends to add cognitive overhead that could be avoided, but I don't see the ambiguity.

Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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This seems... unneeded bloat? I guess there are some obsessive organizers out there, but a markdown checklist of steps - potentially with links to other tickets seems like all you need.

If you're going to improve something improve code review! Let me comment on and suggest diffs to lines the author did not touch. Like half the time I am reviewing code it is "Hey, you refactored this but you missed a usage in this other file" and right now I have to manually give them file and line number manually and hope for the best.

Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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Completely agree with this suggestion. Ive often wondered why GitHub hasn’t introduced this feature because it feels like a really obvious thing to introduce and something that would add an immense amount of value to a lot of projects.

Cynical answer: because having users writeup duplicate issues and then having maintainers close them is more engagement than warding off unnecessary toil. Gotta keep those metrics going up and to the right.

GitHub doesn’t have ads and makes its money off of enterprise subscriptions (and Copilot), so I don’t think “engagement” is a very important metric for them.

Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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Microsoft is getting ready to replace Azure DevOps with GitHub.

This is fiction considering Microsoft is extensively using Azure DevOps internally and is still developing it. Moving projects away from it and to GitHub is impossible because they're incredibly far from having feature parity.

Feature parity is probably not required as long as the different teams are able to adapt their workflow to GitHub's approach. Anecdotally, every employee from Microsoft I've talk to about this point during the last two years keep telling me that ADO is over.

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same here. I guess it's Microsoft slowly making it cater to their enterprise clients

Microsoft is getting ready to replace Azure DevOps with GitHub.

People have been saying this for half a decade, and fearmongering everyone into moving elsewhere (sadly my team fell for it).

Azure Devops is such an underrated tool, it's a shame that it's being ignored by Microsoft. Not only that, but they're enshittifying it by turning into Github. I kid you not, it actually went backwards in terms of features. E.g. Instead of nifty UIs that was implemented for their pipelines, we now instead have to write shitty yaml files with absolutely no validation and guidance. This is the same company that (re)wrote Word, Excel and Powerpoint in the browser! The mental whiplash from witnessing this is very jarring.

Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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Great, a few more decades and it might become a usable bugtracker. What's next on the list? Maybe priority/severity or status/resolution? I helped on a quite large open source project for some time and loved working with Bugzilla. The announced switch to Github for that project was one reason I lost interest. I even prefer to work with a well administrated(!) Jira over Github issues.

> well administrated Jira Based on my experience that doesn't exist. Hell even if it did, Jira is sooooo unbelievably slow I would still take literally anything else. Maybe even Savannah. A colleague joked that we need a "waiting for Jira" Jira task.

Even years ago Jira was too complicated, to the point that we joked about replacing it with a physical notebook.

https://thedailywtf.com/images/200802/manualJira.jpg

Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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Cynical answer: because having users writeup duplicate issues and then having maintainers close them is more engagement than warding off unnecessary toil. Gotta keep those metrics going up and to the right.

GitHub doesn’t have ads and makes its money off of enterprise subscriptions (and Copilot), so I don’t think “engagement” is a very important metric for them.

To the company, no. But to people trying to get a promotion/bigger budgets by proving the features they work on are getting a lot of usage, plausible.

Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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Great, a few more decades and it might become a usable bugtracker. What's next on the list? Maybe priority/severity or status/resolution? I helped on a quite large open source project for some time and loved working with Bugzilla. The announced switch to Github for that project was one reason I lost interest. I even prefer to work with a well administrated(!) Jira over Github issues.

Yeah I have no confidences in GH to become viable for issue management for large commercial projects.

It works fine if you're a group of highly competent and aligned FOSS developers that need it more as a communication tool than a work management tool. But if you get to breaking work down to the level of a few story points it becomes completely unmanageable. The table view turns into a slog if you have more than like 70 tickets.

Re: GitHub introduces sub-issues, issue types and advanced search

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This seems... unneeded bloat? I guess there are some obsessive organizers out there, but a markdown checklist of steps - potentially with links to other tickets seems like all you need. If you're going to improve something improve code review! Let me comment on and suggest diffs to lines the author did not touch. Like half the time I am reviewing code it is "Hey, you refactored this but you missed a usage in this oth…

A lot of this will seem trivial if you haven't used Github for an organization's management of issues. This also lets you start off with a markdown checklist, and convert items to sub-issues.
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