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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by hatefulmoron »

hmcq6 wrote: post #30
steviedotboston wrote: post #15

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Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

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The framing here is pretty ridiculous. Israel definitely punches back much harder than Hamas, but comparing October 7th to a punch and Israel's response to running over babies with a bulldozer is absurd.

Hamas blatantly escalated the conflict by a large margin, there's no denying that. You can't cry over your adversary's response when you do something like that, I'm sorry. Next time keep your hands to yourself, or perhaps just continue throwing rockets at civilians: Israel seems to be willing to tolerate that.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by golergka »

FireBeyond wrote: post #38
steviedotboston wrote: post #15

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Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

> Israel's main adversary is Iran. They are the ones who fund and supply Hamas Well, Israel started and has been funding Hamas (I'm assuming, but who knows, that it stopped with this war) since the PLO/Arafat days to the tune of (at times tens of) millions a month.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by breppp »

whatshisface wrote: post #47
breppp wrote: post #40

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Probably the most efficient way of creating multiple generations of anger and hate is letting a radical terrorist movement control 2 million people, which can completely mold the education curriculum and free to draft anyone to their quasi-army So whatever it has done, it cannot possibly be worse than pre-war

What could a radical terrorist organization possibily tell Gazans about what happened to their parents that sounds worse than the truth?

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by jsheard »

Jarwain wrote: post #58
hmcq6 wrote: post #30

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What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

It's a mystery: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg

None of this started on Oct 7th, the inciting incident was the founding of Israel itself on top of an existing state with an existing population who were violently expelled to make way. Everything else is just ongoing fallout from that.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by halflife »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

The entirety of Hamas leadership is gone, Hamas will most likely not going to have control in Gaza (still being debated which mechanism will govern, this is part of the deal), the crossing to Egypt will be handled by foreign countries which will prevent weapon smuggling. And in the broader spectrum, hizballah is not more, Assad is no more, all of Iran’s proxies can no longer support Hamas’ ambitions which basically means the “mokawamma” is dead. So in short, the entire Middle East have changed.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Aunche »

verdverm wrote: post #22
steviedotboston wrote: post #15

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Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

Israel has likely also created multiple generations of anger and hate against themselves. They may have reduced the likelihood of another Oct 7 in the near term, but 50 years is not something I would count on

There are multiple generations of hate in the West Bank as well. Israel isn't threaten by them as much as they have much more difficulty accumulating weapons.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by halflife »

jedimind wrote: post #42
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

The resistance will not cease to exist until the occupation ceases to exist. Don't leave that last part out

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by [deleted] »

jedimind wrote: post #42
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

The resistance will not cease to exist until the occupation ceases to exist. Don't leave that last part out

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by [deleted] »

zazazache wrote: post #49
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

What is different from Hamas right to exist compared to the IDF or Likud? Hamas certainly has less blood on their hands!

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