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JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by spacemanspiff01 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #20
dylan604 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Knowledge workers do not need to be there in the office like the labor unions. This can be used both ways. The WFH crowd uses it say they can work from home. The GP is suggesting companies thinking that if we don't need in-office workers, why not just offshore it altogether?

> why not just offshore it altogether? Policy equivalent to tariffs to make it unfavorable to offshore vs hiring onshore talent. I.R.C. §174 implements this concept with an amortization delta between US and non-US based development and R&D cost accounting, for example. "We can make you come into the office because we say so or we'll just offshore." might be challenging in the current zeitgeist. https://www.law.cornel…

How does 174 work with a outside contractor company?

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Post by craftkiller »

999900000999 wrote: post #21

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

> what's the point of a city like New York

Pizza and Bagels. If the rest of the country got their shit together and figured out how to make acceptable pizza and bagels then I could leave this city.

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

999900000999 wrote: post #21

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

> I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game

You average Joe/manager in the office judges you based on this.

( I too don't like it)

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Post by dowager_dan99 »

bloomingkales wrote: post #22
TrackerFF wrote: post #4

I think RTO mandates will be the straw that broke the camel's back, for a lot of Americans. Workers in sectors that previously wouldn't even think about unionizing, are now having serious discussions. Going back to commutes, wasting time, for no obvious reason - yeah, that did wake up people. EDIT: I'm talking about rigid 5 days a week RTO policy. As other have pointed out, having a flexible WFH policy is often "good…

American society doesn't want to accept that a lot of our problems happen because the parents aren't home. Michael Moore had an interesting scene in Bowling for Columbine where he showed a 6 year old shooter's mother had to work hours away daily and wasn't home. Mine and most of my friends parents always had to be outside of the house during our formative years. We had very robust economy in the 90s/2000s that pretty…

Wait - how can you say remote is comparable with in-office, then tell me a work from home mother is going to look after her 6-yr-old while doing her job and not split her attention & efforts?

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Post by hibikir »

HamsterDan wrote: post #25

Workers need to tread carefully here. If you there's no need to be in the office, what's to stop corporate from replacing you with an Indian that costs 1/3rd as much? Push back too hard on RTO and you may not have a job at all in five years.

I already have teammates in Mexico, Argentina and Chile. Every day I chat with people in the London office.

If I was at an office, I'd be spending hours on zoom anyway.

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Post by dowager_dan99 »

gretch wrote: post #55
bko wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why do companies insist? If it has no meaningful impact on productivity, and workers don't like it (including a lot of managers), why push it? That's why I believe that companies have some evidence (or belief) that work from home employees are not as productive, enough so to wage this political battle and pay loads in office expenses.

One aspect I rarely see discussed on these messages boards, but one of critical importance, is the role that in-office has on developing new employees over time. Imagine you are a new grad who just got hired but all the senior employees all work remote. How do you learn the trade? It’s much harder to become established. However senior employees who were established already pre covid don’t experience this problem. If…

My last company was fully remote and went through an expansion of hiring a lot of jrs and co-ops. They had a pretty well developed onboarding & mentoring process but it was still very hard. In the end I saw the same people be successful in a remote-first environment as I suspect would have been successful in-office. I believe it was harder on the seniors and other mentors though.

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Post by [deleted] »

nielsbot wrote: post #45
switch007 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why do people hate the office they are expected to return to? They hate it because it's designed to be hated. The discomfort is the point. You're meant to know your place and be reminded of it everyday.

I'd argue that's a side effect, not an intent... but you never know.

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Post by commandlinefan »

0xcafefood wrote: post #12

Labor unions seem like the wrong model for organizing "knowledge workers." A professional association like the American Medical Association might be a better way to structure things. One difference is how they gain leverage. Labor unions seem to rely on the fact that they are the ones _right there_ who can work in a factory, clean a facility, etc. But capital sort of did an end run around some of that by literally pa…

I'd like to see a stop to abusive practices like unpaid overtime, but I doubt that any form of organization is going to end RTO.
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