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I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

mindcrime wrote: post #65
zxvkhkxvdvbdxz wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both you and this chatbot Bob seem to be overly excited by the newfound LLM ability of correctly counting R's in "strawberry". For many, this is not a very exciting development. Mind you, we do follow the progress but your argument of "wait and see" is not deserving serious discussion as your stance has turned into faith.

Where do you see anything about "excitement" about anything? Quit making up bullshit strawman arguments and deal with the issue in a realistic way already. Sheesh. I'm not arguing for any specific outcome mind you. But a refusal to acknowledge "rate of change" effects and to assume that the future will be like today is incredibly short-sighted and myopic.

"rate of change" effects on speculative fiction is meaningless.

Try to remember to be kind, as we are still waiting to see bob's data =3

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by Over2Chars »

The wiki is free and open-source? Or the contents of the wiki are free and open-source?

If it's a wiki, it would be less than courteous to restrictively copyright public contributions (but I'm sure it's been done).

And presumably, paywalling it would reduce contributions.

My impression as to the number one barrier to hardware modifications is soldering. For some reason people can't or won't do it.

So I'd like to introduce the non-sponsor for this comment, "Pincel" the open firmware soldering iron

https://pine64.org/devices/pinecil/

It's running a risc-v chip on open firmware so you'll have cool points with when you whip it out at Richard Stallman's next BBQ.

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by captainepoch »

SomeoneOnTheWeb wrote: post #14
nerdile wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine. It's just not open source. Don't call it open source if it's not. Definition: https://opensource.org/osd

Not everyone agrees with this definition. If the source is open to read, for me it's open source. The website you linked is an opinionated view on what open source is.

It's not. Open Source has its own definition.

You can define however you want, but it's not Open Source. What you mean is "source available".

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by 1317 »

Over2Chars wrote: post #72

The wiki is free and open-source? Or the contents of the wiki are free and open-source? If it's a wiki, it would be less than courteous to restrictively copyright public contributions (but I'm sure it's been done). And presumably, paywalling it would reduce contributions. My impression as to the number one barrier to hardware modifications is soldering . For some reason people can't or won't do it. So I'd like to int…

It's nice that open firmware exists

but why on earth would a soldering iron need firmware to begin with?

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by snvzz »

ajot wrote: post #49
hw-f3nter wrote: post #10

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I just don't want anyone to copy the content and sell it. It's meant to be freely accessible to everyone.

Have you thought of a Creative Commons license? You can have a Non-Commercial clause, while letting others to cooperate with you and remix the information in your site. CC licenses are IMHO better suited for documents than things like GPL, BSD or MIT. https://chooser-beta.creativecommons.org/

Note that the CC -ND licenses are not Open Source either.

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by snvzz »

1317 wrote: post #74
Over2Chars wrote: post #72

The wiki is free and open-source? Or the contents of the wiki are free and open-source? If it's a wiki, it would be less than courteous to restrictively copyright public contributions (but I'm sure it's been done). And presumably, paywalling it would reduce contributions. My impression as to the number one barrier to hardware modifications is soldering . For some reason people can't or won't do it. So I'd like to int…

It's nice that open firmware exists but why on earth would a soldering iron need firmware to begin with?

Temperature control.

It can be done w/o software for sure, but it's easier to do PID with.

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by Lerc »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #20
CamperBob2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait and see. You're not paying attention now, but it's not too late to start. Go to your favorite programming puzzle site and see how you do against the latest models, for instance. If you can beat o1-pro regularly, for instance, then you're right, you have nothing to worry about and can safely disregard it. Same proposition that was offered to John Henry.

Please reformulate your argument, and I will check back tomorrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ LLMs are rules based search engines with higher dimension vector spaces encoding related topics. There is nothing intelligent about these algorithms, except the trick ones play on oneself interpreting well structured nonsense. It is stunting kids development, as students often lack the ability to intuitively…

I have never understood why the failure to answer the strawberry question has seen as a compelling argument as to the limits of AI. The AIs that suffer from this problem have difficulty counting. That has never been denied. Those AI's also do not see the letters of the words they are processing. Counting the letters in a word is a task that it is quite unsurprising that it fails. I Would say it is more surprising that that they can perform spelling tasks at all. More importantly the models where such weaknesses became apparent are all from the same timeframe where the models advanced so much that those weaknesses were visible only after so many other greater weaknesses had been overcome.

People didn't think that planes flying so high that pilots couldn't breathe exposed a fundamental limitation of flight, just that their success had revealed the next hurdle.

The assertion that an LLM is X and therefore not intelligent is not a useful claim to make without either proof that it is X and proof that X is insufficient. You could say brains are interconnected cells that send pulses at intervals dictated by a combination of the pulses they sense, and there is nothing intelligent about that. The premises must be true and you have to demonstrate that the conclusion follows from those premises. For the record I think your premises are false and your conclusion doesn't follow.

Without a proof you could hypothesise reasons why such a system might not be intelligent and come up with an example of a task that no system that satisfies the premises could accomplish. While that example is unsolved the hypothesis remains unrefuted. What would you suggest as a test that shows a problem that could not be solved by such a machine? It must be solvable by at least one intelligent entity to show that it is solvable by intelligence. It must be undeniable when the problem is solved.

Re: I created an open-source Hardware Hacking Wiki – with tutorials for beginners

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Post by tecleandor »

Lerc wrote: post #78
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please reformulate your argument, and I will check back tomorrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ LLMs are rules based search engines with higher dimension vector spaces encoding related topics. There is nothing intelligent about these algorithms, except the trick ones play on oneself interpreting well structured nonsense. It is stunting kids development, as students often lack the ability to intuitively…

I have never understood why the failure to answer the strawberry question has seen as a compelling argument as to the limits of AI. The AIs that suffer from this problem have difficulty counting. That has never been denied. Those AI's also do not see the letters of the words they are processing. Counting the letters in a word is a task that it is quite unsurprising that it fails. I Would say it is more surprising tha…

   The AIs that suffer from this problem have difficulty counting.
Nope, its not a counting problem. It's a reasoning problem. Thing is, no matter how much hype they get, the AIs have no reasoning capabilities at all, and they can fail in the silliest ways. Same as with Larry Ellison: Don't fall into the trap of anthropomorphizing the AI.
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