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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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I used Kagi for a year. It was a great experience, no ads, decent search results. I quit recently, when I discovered that they integrate with Yandex. I think it is unacceptable in the todays reality. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Kagi seems to genuinly have a good mission when it comes to the internet.

I want small web search. I want good results. I will pay for search!

I do not want to support Russia.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#72

I used Kagi for a year. It was a great experience, no ads, decent search results. I quit recently, when I discovered that they integrate with Yandex. I think it is unacceptable in the todays reality. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

why? yandex is not just a great search engine but also a very promising company - at least was before it was brought to the dogs by US/EU.

Because some of their taxes will fund human safari in Kherson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaig...

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#73
post #21

"The 300 search plan unfortunately just isn’t a very pleasant experience. I’d find myself wincing any time I accidentally typed a query I already knew the result of like Serious Eats Channa Masala into Kagi’s search during my metered month" "...do yourself a favor and jump straight into the $10 USD per month plan" This exactly. I love using Kagi and felt the relief sweep over me when I went to unlimited. Well worth i…

This is so true. I only exceeded the 300 queries once but the following anxiety around hitting the limit was really bad for some reason.

On unlimited for a few months now and it is so much nicer to not worry about it anymore.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Is $10 really expensive?

For most people, no. Can you think of $10/m you spend on something less important than search? A couple coffees, a sandwich, HBO, Netflix, a drink, using two gallons of gas recreationally, etc

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#75

I used Kagi for a year. It was a great experience, no ads, decent search results. I quit recently, when I discovered that they integrate with Yandex. I think it is unacceptable in the todays reality. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

What do you use now? I mix Perplexity and Google depending on the query, I wondered how that compares to Kagi. Yandex is a no-no for me as well

I explored the landscape and didn't find good alternative yet. I basically fell back to Google.

One interesting initiative I discovered is that Qwant and Ecosia are teaming up to develop a new independent European search index:

https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/2024/11/08/ecosia-and-qwant-j...

Very much look forward to see this :)

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google search is almost useless for anything but the most basic queries now. Anything technical and it ignores half of the search terms like you said.

intext: and quoting solves this…

I haven't found quoting helps much. I also feel like i shouldnt have to craft search queries with a lot of inurl or other tags or quoting. Kagi just seems to work better. Its worth 10$ a month to me to not have to worry about it, I use search engines a lot.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why? yandex is not just a great search engine but also a very promising company - at least was before it was brought to the dogs by US/EU.

Because some of their taxes will fund human safari in Kherson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaig...

that's a pretty indirect contribution. if we start to boycott companies because of what is done with the taxes they pay then there won't be many companies left to use or do business with.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#78

This article is great but it doesn't even talk about the assistant. The assistant is an LLM powered version of Kagi. It's been my daily driver for months and the productivity boost is incredible. I rarely ever use kagi's actual search functionality anymore unless I'm looking for something very niche. I love that you can also swap models. Happy customer here!

It is one year old, the assistant was not out yet afaik

I agree they cannot ignore llms in search nowadays despite a few ppl here not liking them

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because some of their taxes will fund human safari in Kherson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_safari_(terror_campaig...

that's a pretty indirect contribution. if we start to boycott companies because of what is done with the taxes they pay then there won't be many companies left to use or do business with.

The country has literally started the war and keeps killing people. Is it not enough to boycott any relationship with it, especially those from which it benefits financially?

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

There was a time when it was incredible that a small team like Google could somehow implement search more effectively than a company that has years of search experience (i.e. AltaVista)

In that case -- and probably in the case of Kagi vs. Google as well -- it was entirely dependent on focus. In the hypothetical situation where your goal changes from "provide the best possible search" to "beat Yahoo," your available resources will be used on different things, and then...
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