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interesting. i am 55-ish. "change is the only constant in universe" - whoever said that. For a change, i went long-distance bikepacking 5y ago. 500-1000-1500kms. Then, Learned to e-foil 2y ago.. took me weeks if not months to get the balance right. (While some kid i taught on the beach, needed 25 mins :/) 7000km so far. Traumas not counted - but hey i am (even more) alive. Today seawater was 8'C.. so what. The other…

I haven't tried e-foil, but did I thoroughly enjoy learning to balance on a racing stand up paddle board last summer (only 23" wide). It took me many hilariously humbling weeks of constantly falling off before I could stay up for any distance. I loved feeling inept and awkward but with only benign consequences: failure means a mere dunk in warm water.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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post #65

How is BMI racist?

One example of many - https://www.henryford.com/blog/2023/11/how-bmi-is-flawed-and...

It's in the title, but that article lists no reasons why it's racist.

They try to relate it to socioeconomic status, but BMI is applied to poor white people as well.

I don't buy that reasoning on face value though, it's perfectly affordable to eat healthy. These days fast food and processed foods are much more expensive than buying fresh groceries.

Just a trash article trying to normalize obesity and race-bait.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One example of many - https://www.henryford.com/blog/2023/11/how-bmi-is-flawed-and...

It's in the title, but that article lists no reasons why it's racist. They try to relate it to socioeconomic status, but BMI is applied to poor white people as well. I don't buy that reasoning on face value though, it's perfectly affordable to eat healthy. These days fast food and processed foods are much more expensive than buying fresh groceries. Just a trash article trying to normalize obesity and race-bait.

yeh, the poor neighborhoods are full of grocery stores with fresh food and not food deserts

AMA any better as a source? https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/how-use-bmi-fet...

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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post #56

I don't see a problem with my programming skills, but with my ability to play the corporate game. Probably because i have a lot of experience, i kind of know when a manager wants to push a team too much because he wants to play some game of thrones with another manager. I know when they decide to ignore all warnings to get to a deadline, and then when everything explodes they blame someone else. I know when someone h…

> Today you have this "go fast, break things" mentality

Not in most of the big tech companies, even in the bay area. It's amazing that the bay area companies have managed to grow themselves into giant bureaucratic organizations and they console themselves with bullshit like slow is fast.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

#75
I'm a software engineer maybe half the age of the speaker, probably less. But I am already gradually going blind. (No one knows whether I'll reach legal blindness in 5 years or 25, but its presence in my future is a certainty.)

It's striking, if not surprising, how relatable this talk is to me. My biggest difficulties are with contrast and brightness, and it's clear that dropping night driving will be the first major life change required by my degrading vision. Many-- maybe even most-- of the compensatory measures the speaker suggests for dealing with vision loss are already part of my life.

For me, these similarities and others feel very natural and very right, even a little comforting. My eye disease is genetic, with no treatments and no cure, and so part of what it has taught and reminded me is that bodies fail, and the terms of when and how they fail isn't up to us. One of the things I really like about this talk is how unsentimental it is (without being cold, either). Disability isn't a question of if but of when and how-- and that's not a tragic thing any more than the abstract fact of death, either-- it's just a part of nature, of life.

I like this talk because it reminds us that aging, injury, disability, and adapting to those things (individually and collectively) are common threads in human lives. They're something we should know to expect. We may not be fully in control, but we can prepare-- prepare ourselves, our families, our workplaces, our governments, our cities and towns and neighborhoods-- to accommodate the inevitability of various shades and varieties of disability in ourselves and the people around us. Embracing an awareness of the universality of disability can ground us even in the face of bodily changes that frighten and grieve us. We can know they're not the end of the world because they've always been part of the world around us.

This talk may be worth a watch even if you think it's not really about you. :)

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's in the title, but that article lists no reasons why it's racist. They try to relate it to socioeconomic status, but BMI is applied to poor white people as well. I don't buy that reasoning on face value though, it's perfectly affordable to eat healthy. These days fast food and processed foods are much more expensive than buying fresh groceries. Just a trash article trying to normalize obesity and race-bait.

yeh, the poor neighborhoods are full of grocery stores with fresh food and not food deserts AMA any better as a source? https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/how-use-bmi-fet...

yes even the poor have grocery stores.

and no, that's a terrible article as well.

feel free to pick out the strongest point you think the article has and present it.

dumping links is not a conversation.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

#77
post #38

My peak programming skills are close to what they were 30 years ago, but I cannot sustain that level of concentration for long periods as I once could. I feel like a pinch hitter: I can do a couple innings at a high level of performance, but I can't keep that level up as long as I used to. OTOH I think I have better judgement when it comes to deep, complex questions of long-term architecture choices. My "meta-program…

> but I cannot sustain that level of concentration for long periods as I once could. This scares me. I'm younger and thus, I feel like social media and short form content has had so much impact on my ability to focus that it already feels bad where it is right now. Never thought this might be the peak of my concentration power though.

I'm 40; you're fine. I put down Instagram last year, and I never even think of it anymore. Your mind evolved over millions of years, "short form content" is not going to rewrite that. Once you delete that stuff off of your phone, your brain will immediately free up that headspace, like Instagram never even existed.

I don't know about my concentration. I've got more non-negotiable responsibilities now, so I have less time to work on things, but I work on them harder, and I take advantage of the off time to let solutions bubble up.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

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post #56

I don't see a problem with my programming skills, but with my ability to play the corporate game. Probably because i have a lot of experience, i kind of know when a manager wants to push a team too much because he wants to play some game of thrones with another manager. I know when they decide to ignore all warnings to get to a deadline, and then when everything explodes they blame someone else. I know when someone h…

If you want to be a programmer past the age of forty, you have to accept watching your manager learn things about software development (and management) that you learned years ago.

And that's okay. If it drives you crazy, either let it go, or bite the bullet and apply for the job yourself.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

#79
I'm a better and faster programmer than I've ever been, though I'm probably un-hirable anywhere that filters by age (almost everywhere).

My problem in my role atm is not skill, it's the competition for bandwidth both inside the role, and outside it (i.e. that I have a life consistent with my age, which has a lot of moving parts itself).

22-year-old-me worked past midnight, but 22-year-old-me sometimes had to because they couldn't draw boundaries, manage scope, manage time, etc. I was smart then too but had fewer hacks burned into memory.

I rarely do late nights now, not because I don't want to—tearing myself away remains excrutiating—but because I can't.

Not because of ability, though I'm sure that's diminished objectivley; but because I have responsibilities which don't mesh with no-sleep or being cranky from lack of it.

Re: The Aging Programmer [video]

#80
Lots of good advice, especially for younger people for whom it can pay increasing dividends because they're starting earlier.

I have a small quibble about the idea of knowing when you're thirsty. Many people either don't realize when they need to drink more, or actively avoid drinking because they don't want to have to go to the bathroom more frequently. As a result, they are underhydrated and their overall health suffers. (This is largely based on my observations, not any studies, but it was confirmed to me by a PT who encourages people to hydrate more.) So while it may not be necessary to set a timer and drink a liter of water every couple of hours, simply thinking "I'm in touch with my body and I don't feel thirsty" may be a product of deluded wishful thinking.

Also she mentioned around the 50 minute mark that "brain games" don't actually help you get better at anything except those brain games, but doing activities you like such as reading are helpful overall. What makes one mental activity more helpful than another? Most programmers tend to like brain games, so you'd figure any mental exercises are better than none, especially if you do different ones.

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