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Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

iamacyborg wrote: post #69
bee_rider wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought he asked the court to pause the ban until he was in office. In the interest of trying to be neutral, perhaps he either: * Thinks he can help negotiate some sort of deal that keeps TikTok here fairly, or * Sees an opportunity to do a grift/accept some bribes from ByteDance/get some control over an effective propaganda engine.

* wants the publicity from being the president to ban them

Genuine question as someone not from the US, wouldn’t that make a significant part of a generation mad at Republicans? Some who might be close to voting age or might even be able to vote already.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by flaminHotSpeedo »

alephnerd wrote: post #22
soared wrote: post #16

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This is not remotely accurate. Plenty of large tech companies still play in China. The difficulties are very high but if you are big enough the huge market size it’s still very profitable. I don’t think google/etc are in China for its slave labor.

> Plenty of large tech companies still play in China Depending on the segment you are in within the tech industry, the Chinese subsidiary of the foreign company might be a white-labelled Chinese offering (eg. AWS China, Azure China) or entirely unique IP developed in-house by the Chinese subsidiary.

AWS and Azure in China are the literal opposite of white labeling. It's still the global product, branded under the global name, (mostly) operated by the global organizations.

The affiliation with Chinese companies is borderline fine print, white labeling would be if you had "tencent cloud" which happened to behave exactly like Azure.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by flaminHotSpeedo »

soared wrote: post #16
talldayo wrote: post #11

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The writing has been on the wall for over a decade, at this point. The only companies that "risk it" with China are the ones that rely on borderline (or in some cases, literal) slave labor to maintain their margins. If you don't have an outstanding manufacturing investment to honor, it's a net-negative reliance in many cases.

This is not remotely accurate. Plenty of large tech companies still play in China. The difficulties are very high but if you are big enough the huge market size it’s still very profitable. I don’t think google/etc are in China for its slave labor.

It's not just tech companies, many entertainment companies (e.g. video games, media) do the same, even at the risk of alienating or angering Western customers

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Post by brightball »

wenc wrote: post #67
nordsieck wrote: post #32

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> We've had CIFUS for decades. The only change is now we say no to Japan teaching us to make better steel. I'm curious what you mean by that. Most of what I know about steel is in relation to knives (and peripherally, swords, axes, and other tools). At least in that (admittedly small) niche, Japanese steel is good, but certainly not superior to US steel (although with the financial trouble that Crucible is having, pe…

I used to live in a rust-belt steel town. My knowledge is cursory except for my lived reality of my town being economically depressed by poor management of steel production facilities. US Steel mostly focuses on commodity steel. Nippon Steel has a wider portfolio focusing on higher-end specialty steel. Commodity steel producers like US Steel (they acquired the main steel company in my town) generally play on lower en…

Where does Nucor fall in this? I don’t know anything about the steel industry but know the name.

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Post by Barrin92 »

crystaln wrote: post #17

China never has and never will offer a level playing field for non-Chinese companies. The US is finally starting to act in kind, and should continue to do so.

>China never has and never will offer a level playing field for non-Chinese companies.

Foreign companies in China have to play by Chinese rules, which are more restrictive than the US but so do Chinese companies. When it comes to doing business abroad China imposes very few rules or conditions. Meanwhile the US has been waging a straight up trade war on China with the not just implicit but stated goal of strangling China's technological progress. If anyone should level the playing field it's the US.

This is how this is perceived in the world outside the Anglosphere, it's astonishing how out of touch the American centric commentary on this is. China's open to do business with the world, the US and Western countries are politicizing trade.

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Post by reaperducer »

diggan wrote: post #47
kortilla wrote: post #43

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Tit for tat taxation or restrictions on businesses are not related at all to democracy.

> restrictions on businesses are not related at all to democracy. I guess we've dropped the whole "Global fair trade leads to a more free, peaceful and democratic world" argument that used to be so popular?

I guess we've dropped the whole "Global fair trade leads to a more free, peaceful and democratic world" argument that used to be so popular?

Sadly, yes. It took Russia invading Ukraine and threatening the E.U. for it to sink in. Now it's pretty much accepted that the experiment failed.

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Post by aziaziazi »

legulere wrote: post #65
aziaziazi wrote: post #48

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Debatable. > whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also (Jesus) > I do not like the word tolerance, but could not think of a better one. Tolerance implies a gratuitous assumption of the inferiority of other faiths to one (Gandhi)

I guess the author alludes to the paradox of tolerance first described by Karl Popper 1945 in The Open Society and Its Enemies. Sometimes deterring punishment is the only thing that keeps people from abusing tolerance or freedom to destroy that tolerance and freedom, but it needs to stay a measure of last resort.

Thanks for the reference, I’ll have a look.

It’s interesting indeed how tolerance and freedom interact with each other’s. To put another perspective, here’s a quote from an unrelated text (0)

> Middle Eastern Muslim culture expert Marvin Zonis notes that Arab societies value the honor and dignity of the individual more than personal liberty.

I 100% about the benefits of (sometime) punishments, but also perhaps a bit less liberty to make space for other values might have benefits. I’m not sure where to place the slider on that scale, as too much honor and dignity can be quite restrictive.

0 https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/SR236Venhaus.pdf

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by flaminHotSpeedo »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #3

> Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China ...and continue offering the same service by reselling Tencent's CDN. Looks like they're making this one of the things in China that has to be provided locally?

More likely Tencent will own the land and physical infrastructure but it will still be Akamai software operated by Akamai employees.
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