In my university days I climbed Mt Fuji at night for the sunrise in jeans, running shoes and a little tiny pen light. At the top there were people with small oxygen tanks (understandable, there are legitimate medical concerns for some). I'd do it differently today. :) I'm ignoring the point of the article, but I'm currently in a country with a strong hiking culture. Everyone is decked out with every piece of hiking g…
I think you are right. But a gentler answer is that if you don't know what you need to do the hike, you ask around for best practices and probably end up following some that are overengineered. The people like you during your hike, in my experience, fall into two groups. Either they've had so much experience that they know exactly what works and what doesn't work for the conditions or they kind of got lucky.
Do It in Jeans First
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
A pair of trail pants that lasts you 20 years compared to a pair of jeans that lasts 4 and has to be replaced 5 times is probably a net win for microplastics when you factor in the amount of plastic used when manufacturing and shipping both items.
And whatever goes into stretch denim, which I can't stand.
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#73As someone who has led many high hazard outdoor trips for beginners, poor clothing choices from participants often ruin the day. The guide isn't trying to be elitist, he has likely experienced all of the following: 1) It starts to rain or gets windy and a client was not wearing appropriate clothes and gets very cold in a potentially dangerous situation. 2) A client has worn something extremely uncomfortable and chafe…
Easy!
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#74I'm not even sure I needed to read the article, I agreed with title in terms of the specific application to hiking, and any other tenuous analogies one could come up with. Want to start going to the gym? Do it in jeans until they're too uncomfortable, then buy something that helps you keep the momentum going. How about running? Yep, jeans. Swimming? Maybe not honestly. Climbing/bouldering? Yep, although you might be…
Climbing works great in jeans if they are a bit stretchy. Especially good for knee bars - almost as good as a knee pad and 1100% more stylish
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#75As someone who has led many high hazard outdoor trips for beginners, poor clothing choices from participants often ruin the day. The guide isn't trying to be elitist, he has likely experienced all of the following: 1) It starts to rain or gets windy and a client was not wearing appropriate clothes and gets very cold in a potentially dangerous situation. 2) A client has worn something extremely uncomfortable and chafe…
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#76I didn't wear cleats until I was almost 14 playing baseball.. I just used tennis shoes.. some of my friends gave me a hard time about it. I could hit dingers all day so no big deal. But you know what. I wore a helmet at every at bat. Did I really need it for every at bat?? No; But I had it. There's a long list of dead people who went into the wilderness or hiking under prepared. Just because it didn't happen to you d…
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry can you explain the situation where jeans lead to the death of a hiker? I don't buy it.
I've never experienced any deaths on hikes, but I have experienced folks suffering the initial stages of hypothermia (and not realizing it) when wearing jeans on a multi-day excursion when the weather went from dry and sunny to rainy, to icey-rain to sleet. Unwaxed cotton absorbs water, stays wet, and shrinks when wet to make close contact with skin--three properties that one does not want when its wet and cold.
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#78I'm not even sure I needed to read the article, I agreed with title in terms of the specific application to hiking, and any other tenuous analogies one could come up with. Want to start going to the gym? Do it in jeans until they're too uncomfortable, then buy something that helps you keep the momentum going. How about running? Yep, jeans. Swimming? Maybe not honestly. Climbing/bouldering? Yep, although you might be…
I don't think gyms let you wear jeans. Something about friction with the seats or something. That said, appropriate gym wear is readily available at Wal-Mart. T-shirts, sweats, cotton athletic shorts. Ladies are going to want a sports bra, and may wish for leggings which my wife picks up for $5 a pair at Old Navy all the time.
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#79doing the same thing right now - learning to skate. I got a cheap pair of skates from goodwill, well on my way into week 2 now. Once I know I got the chops down, I'm gonna go buy a nicer pair - but until then, can't beat a pair of $10 skates!
Same goes for snowboarding or anything that has rentals, let the discovery process happen in the least committal way possible.
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#80The author is blatantly wrong wrt "jeans and hiking", but otherwise firstly doing the "discount" version of a thing to learn the thing is the right approach. Specifically to product usability, as much as Jakob Nielsen is an iconoclast in certain circles, his Discount Usability Engineering principles are timeless: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/web-discount-usability/
Wildly disagree, but I suspect when they mention hiking, you get a specific idea or degree of what that means based on the type or terrain you regularly experience. While there are pieces of gear I wouldn't go into certain situations without, what those situations are and what that inventory looks like are pretty variable.
To anyone who'd like to try, jeans are fine, sometimes they're inadequate, sus out the trail and the conditions, don't let a lack of non-jeans prevent you from trying, but also proceed with sensible caution and learn to know your surroundings. DO NOT RELY ON GOOGLE MAPS EVER EVER, get something else or an actual map, and don't expect to have cell service.
If you have no fitness at all, start small (1-3hrs, flat or a few hundred meters of elevation gain), bring at least a liter of water, do it with someone or tell someone where you're going, go early during the summer. I'd advise that the most generally applicable requirement in terms of gear are shoes with grip of some kind (I use relatively inexpensive trailrunners, boots aren't as nimble but can be better depending on variables), then a basic headlamp unless you're in the north in summer, compass maybe, a lighter, and calories, everything else either depends on environment or other variables and you get a sense for it over time. A 20L day pack is helpful, but a regular backpack is just fine as well.
For pants, it's not rare for me to just bring breathable shorts from Lulu and normal Levi's jeans, switching between them as necessary, but sometimes just one or the other, and nearly always in a basic-ass cotton shirt that I just take off because I can't be bothered. The only people who mention my attire are the ones who never do it. Your mileage may vary.
Lastly, I personally never bring headphones, don't listen to anything, and keep the phone off or in low-power mode with GPS on. I'll check in at a halfway point if it's a long day, but when I'm in nature I'm in nature, and I'd recommend the same. It's empowering to learn to be capable in nature and with nothing but your own thoughts.
Edit: Mentioned by someone else, a guided adventure as an inexperienced outdoors person is not the time to deploy my advice, respect their requirements, they know more than you whether it is or isn't ultimately necessary. My advice applies outside that context, where you're not someone's else's liability. Read my advice as analogous to "you don't need cleats to play soccer, unless you're joining a team, especially as a noob, so get out there and kick a ball around"