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To be fair, Honey could easily bypass the blocklist redistribution legal issue by downloading filter lists at runtime from the official source. Then they aren't redistributing the resources. Update: It looks like they're also using code from uBO without attribution or authorization. That's most likely illegal.
Why can't people just run businesses decently without deception & scams? I'm sure they can be profitable. This deceptive behaviour actually makes the business loose customers in the long term.
Why? I don’t see any incentives for decency. Decency is as desired by society as “made locally.” Very few people are willing to pay for it and behaving that way he tremendous opportunity costs.
Why can't people just run businesses decently without deception & scams? I'm sure they can be profitable. This deceptive behaviour actually makes the business loose customers in the long term.
Because we, as a society, have decided that lying should be effectively mandated and there should be no punishment for it in general. It's not just a few businesses, it's practically all of them. As a rule, an honest businessman can't make enough money to survive while being undercut by everyone else.
Are the liars of our society shunned and condemned to penury? Nope.
Jeff Skilling (Mr Enron) got out of jail and raised money for a new company. Pull off the fraud synonymous with corporate fraud and get investors.
Former convicted Enron corporate officers enjoy fat speaking fees and cushy consulting gigs.
You can pull off the fraud everyone knows and pay no social price for it.
You can defraud investors by the billions and get a movie about you (Wolf of Wall Street).
You can cook up the disaster that was WeWork and raise hundreds of millions from the most powerful VCs right after.
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I disagree that it’s down to the individuals. While individuals can throw themselves into the gears of the machine it is understandable why they do not. I see things in terms of a sharecropping analogy, feudal lords (corrupted government) allow the scammers to harvest the crop (victims) for a share of the proceeds. We cannot fix people to the point they are un-scammable and there does not exist a democratic force str…
> I wish we had a democracy that could prevent this but we do not Doesn't this rely on us as the individual? We get the government we allow. We, humanity, could've had anything we wanted, this is what we gave ourselves.
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I've seen a few ads from them on YouTube promoting their ad blocker, specifically touting that it gets around YouTube's efforts to block ad blockers. I thought it was interesting that YouTube, in the midst of trying to crack down on ad blockers, allows ads promoting an ad blocker that is specifically claiming to evade that crackdown.
I wonder if there could be anti-trust aspects to cracking down on such ads.
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There is no theft as long as the “testers” or whoever are voluntarily installing Honey. The T&C of installing Honey surely includes the right for Honey to see and share the discount codes.
It should be incumbent on Honey to check if these discounts are indeed public. 100% discounts would be an obvious place to start. Given that Honey claims to search the public internet for discounts according to their claims they can in fact do this. At the scale and resources of Honey the claim of ignorance becomes unreasonable. It would help their case if they had a made a documented good faith attempt, but I think…
Why can't people just run businesses decently without deception & scams? I'm sure they can be profitable. This deceptive behaviour actually makes the business loose customers in the long term.
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From what I've gathered, honey basically replaced affiliate codes with their own and then gave the user part of the commission back? Is there something they did that users should be unhappy about?
It seems the voucher codes they 'find' are not the result of them searching the Web. They are simply codes provided by partnered businesses and may be beaten by codes you can get by searching yourself. If true, then this is them outright lying to the user. And you know, if they don't find a coupon code for you, one might still be at least a little annoyed that the original 'salesman' didn't get their affiliate commis…
It should bother you if 10-30% of your price went to whoever last got you to click on a link.
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I disagree that it’s down to the individuals. While individuals can throw themselves into the gears of the machine it is understandable why they do not. I see things in terms of a sharecropping analogy, feudal lords (corrupted government) allow the scammers to harvest the crop (victims) for a share of the proceeds. We cannot fix people to the point they are un-scammable and there does not exist a democratic force str…
> I wish we had a democracy that could prevent this but we do not Doesn't this rely on us as the individual? We get the government we allow. We, humanity, could've had anything we wanted, this is what we gave ourselves.
Humans have built in innate weaknesses that are easily exploited by the unscrupulous. People have been exploiting others since time immemorial, secret police keep libraries of exploits and you can see them used repeatedly and effectively throughout history. Pied-piper strategy (basket of deplorables), Operation Trust (Q-Anon).
I don’t know how to counter it.