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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bko wrote: post #68
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless c…

> I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies

Within the domain of the private sector, yes. The paedo comments were distasteful, but that's about it.

That changed when he became a political figure. (And a partisan one at that.) Musk, the brand, has fundamentally changed in a way that more resembles Soros or Murdoch than the bipartisan tech titan he was.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by j4coh »

FloorEgg wrote: post #52
j4coh wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

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He isn’t being read as being at odds with the extremes, he is seen as extreme. I personally don’t think he’s extremist, he reminds me of myself when I was an edgy, poorly socialised 12 year old except with billions of dollars. Hence the comment about social skills.

To your second question, I’m not sure where you’re getting that I would think that so I’m unsure how to respond in a helpful way.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by orourkek »

fckgw wrote: post #33
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

Hyundai might have some great EV offerings that are cheaper, but Rivian does not have anything even close in terms of price, unless you only consider Plaid models. You can get a used model 3 for $20k now, which is good value if you put aside politics & CEO.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by camhart »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #62
camhart wrote: post #53

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> He's only extreme if your view points are extreme left Musk's policy positions are all over the political compass. While I wouldn't call him a right-wing extremist (that's where Loomer et al live), he's certainly a right winger in the political company he keeps and supports. > Hello downvotes "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading" [1]. [1] https://ne…

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by light_hue_1 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

I don't think so.

At least from my personal experiences I know of at least a dozen sales that 3 years ago they would have made hands now. People compromise and buy what are clearly worse cars to avoid the Tesla brand. A friend just brought an ioniq a few months ago, same friend who was salivating over our Tesla a few years ago and kept talking about buying one endlessly. Guess why they didn't buy one..

Heck. I'm one of those people. We were customers for life. But my wife who loves our Tesla won't agree to ever buy one again. So we're back to VW. Yay...

I wish they would get rid of Musk. It would be nice if Tesla was just a car company.

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Post by xiphias2 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

BYD is continuing what Tesla started: getting cheaper while scaling up battery and car production.

The market is there for worse and much cheaper electric cars, just not mainly in US.

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Post by matwood »

FloorEgg wrote: post #41
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

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This comment makes no sense. Musk is one of the, if not most, powerful people in the world. He's also the richest person and owns one of the main propagandist machines out there. Public sentiment is skewed negatively by his own words and obvious selfish hypocrisy. For example, "free speech" has become a running joke at this point.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by canucker2016 »

Previous years vehicle sales for Tesla (TSLA - stock ticker) - source: https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture...

    Year    Sales           Percent Increase from prev. yr
    2023    1,808,581       ↑ 32%
    2022    1,369,611       ↑ 47%
    2021    930,422         ↑ 83%
TSLA market cap is more than the next 19 car manufacturers combined! Source: https://companiesmarketcap.com/automakers/largest-automakers...

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

chvid wrote: post #44
jp42 wrote: post #15

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Most business leaders are smart enough not to talk politics because they understand how politics works (divides people) and is contrary to their business.

> they understand how politics works (divides people)

More than that: it's human nature to identify lines of disagreement when observing within your in group. You and I might agree on 99 things, but we will suss out–with preternatural efficiency–the one we disagree on. (Again, if we identify as being in the same group. Travel to a foreign country and you'll notice similarities.)

Taking public positions on anything tends to leave some people happy, most people uninterested and a lot of people furious. It's why experienced politicians tend to have a few drums they beat--the ones who are undiscplined get weeded out. Musk takes a position on everything.

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