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Exposing the Honey Influencer Scam [video]

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Re: Exposing the Honey Influencer Scam [video]

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is there not an opensource alternative? i mean its webscraping which is very established surely it exists. anyways we should bring them traction if they too arent evil

I don’t know what the (country) equivalent is, but the UK has HUKD - they need an extension.

Re: Exposing the Honey Influencer Scam [video]

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post #18

How would you even build a better version of this geared towards consumers? I don’t see the incentives lining up unless you start charging for the service.

The same way that uBlock Origin was built. Scams being the only way to make your product "profitable" doesn't validate the scams. That's like saying "I made a business offering to clean people's houses for free. Of course I'm gonna steal their stuff while doing it, how else do you expect me to make money?!"

Re: Exposing the Honey Influencer Scam [video]

#73

This has me wondering if this could be cause for a class action lawsuit by influencers affiliated with Honey or by Consumers who installed the extension.

This is a messy legal situation… For the most part, it looks like consumers weren't directly harmed aside from the false promises about "finding the best deal," but consumers weren't paying anything to Honey for that promise. The harmed parties, the referring affiliates whose links were overwritten, would have to argue that Honey, as a third party, tortiously interfered with them and the merchants paying the affiliat…

I would argue that the consumer was deceived as well. People may click the links intentionally to also support the creators. They expect the affiliate money to go to that creator. Saying the consumer was not deceived would be similar to arguing that stealing money donated to charity doesn't hurt the ones who donated since they didn't gain anything directly either way.

Re: Exposing the Honey Influencer Scam [video]

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post #49
post #18

How would you even build a better version of this geared towards consumers? I don’t see the incentives lining up unless you start charging for the service.

The consumer never gets the affiliate cut either way. If there are coupon codes, the consumer wins. If there aren't, the customer only loses a bit of privacy about what they're buying, which most people don't care about anyway.

If the consumer intentionally uses the affiliate links to support the creator, then they are deceived if someone else steals that cut. This would be similar to charity money being stolen by some third party - the donator would not be getting that money anyway, yet they might feel hurt if it turns out their money didn't go where they wanted it to go.

Re: Exposing the Honey Influencer Scam [video]

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I feel like this should be up to the affiliate networks to kick Honey out of their programs for TOS violations right? Or Google removing it from the Chrome store?

I was thinking the same about why don't they just remove it from the Chrome store, but I'm not sure of the relationship Google and PayPal have.

PayPal is one of the payment methods offered by Google for all kinds of things such as the Play Store, YouTube subscriptions etc. I use it myself for those purposes.

It might sour things between them?

Re: Exposing the Honey Influencer Scam [video]

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a messy legal situation… For the most part, it looks like consumers weren't directly harmed aside from the false promises about "finding the best deal," but consumers weren't paying anything to Honey for that promise. The harmed parties, the referring affiliates whose links were overwritten, would have to argue that Honey, as a third party, tortiously interfered with them and the merchants paying the affiliat…

Shouldn't affiliates sue the merchants for allowing the steal? The merchants surely must notice how often Honey steals the referrals and they benefit likely by laying less in referral fees. So this is collusion by merchant and Honey against the affiliate.

It seems that the merchants were strong-armed into a mafia-style deal with Honey, in that if they didn't partner with them then Honey would suggest the better coupon codes that not everyone was able to have. If they did partner with them then they would be allowed to suppress those particular coupons. Seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If I were a merchant I'd definitely prefer to have the original affiliates rewarded as they are the ones actually driving the visits rather than Honey stealing the commission after the user is already there intending to buy.
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