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US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by ilbeeper »

ignoramous wrote: post #69
ilbeeper wrote: post #57

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It is not hypothetical, the fact is that killing drones are used in practice, and it just doesn't make sense to oppose lesser measures that are being used without judgement when killing is allowed.

> killing is allowed You said it is okay / allowed because "terrorists". Otherwise, it is a heinous crime. Just like the Pegasus one.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Ok is a value judgment which I didn't state. Allowed is a fact. Are you arguing with what I'm saying or with an opponent in your mind?

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by ignoramous »

ilbeeper wrote: post #71
ignoramous wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> killing is allowed You said it is okay / allowed because "terrorists". Otherwise, it is a heinous crime. Just like the Pegasus one.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Ok is a value judgment which I didn't state. Allowed is a fact. Are you arguing with what I'm saying or with an opponent in your mind?

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Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by fastball »

Bilal_io wrote: post #67
rexpop wrote: post #64

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Agreed. And no sensible adult should refer to the genecide in Gaza as being deep in the algorithm.

Genocide is an attempt to eradicate a group. The only group Israel is trying to eradicate is Hamas. They're not genociding Palestinians, they're genociding Hamas.

Are they killing an excessive number of civilians as collateral damage? Certainly seems like it. But collateral damage is not genocide.

If they wanted to genocide the Palestinians, they'd be shipping 'em to camps and gassing them, like the Nazis did. Looking at it another way: let's say that (hypothetically) Hamas stopped using people as humans shields by firing rockets from hospitals and building tunnels under schools. Do you think the number of non-combatants killed by the IDF would go down? Because I do, and to me that says Israel's goal is not in fact killing non-combatant civilians, even if they're killing far too many as is.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by ilbeeper »

ignoramous wrote: post #72
ilbeeper wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Ok is a value judgment which I didn't state. Allowed is a fact. Are you arguing with what I'm saying or with an opponent in your mind?

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Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by buo »

oaththrowaway wrote: post #43
lupusreal wrote: post #38

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People do in fact get sent to prison for that, straw purchases are a federal felony. Not all of them actually get caught, which is true of any crime.

Except when the ATF does it, no big deal

More information about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

tehwebguy wrote: post #26
dmantis wrote: post #13

There should be no difference with usual botnet owner/ransomware gangs and such companies. Management should go to prison for good 20-30 years for that and being extradited worldwide. Considering that ransomware gangs are probably less harmful to the society than guys who hack journalists and politicians, putting their lifes at literal risks, not just their pockets. There should be no "legal" hacking of someone's dev…

Certainly the ones that hack journalists should go to prison.

Anyone can be a journalist, so the requirement should be that all of us have our human rights protected by criminalizing this heinous behavior.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

fakedang wrote: post #61
talldayo wrote: post #50

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In Israel's opinion? It shouldn't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_... Israeli forces killed 38x more journalists than Hamas did on October 7th.

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Anyone has a right to be a journalist. This right shall not be abrogated by any state.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by Der_Einzige »

alecco wrote: post #27

Aaaaand it's flagged out of the front page. @dang, so early in the day this is obviously some coordinated manipulation. 31. 206 points 9 hours ago US judge finds Israel's NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp (reuters.com) 22. 37 points 8 hours ago My Pal, the Ancient Philosopher (nautil.us) 15. 4 points 4 hours ago Testing for Thermal Issues Becomes More Difficult (semiengineering.com) 18. 11 points…

Dang doesn’t buy that anything ever actually happens here (just like the meme). I’m pretty sure dang is deeply associated with the IC.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

ilbeeper wrote: post #45
ignoramous wrote: post #36

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> send drones to kill terrorists The part that you miss is, are they only killing "terrorists" extrajudicially? To take that propaganda at its face value is to ask, what else could they be killing brown people for, if not terrorism?

I didn't say if I think that drone killing is justified or not, since I have no opinion on that - I don't know enough to form an opinion. I only say that since the government have the right to send killing drone it doesn't make sense to raise pitchforks against phone hacking

The thing is, extrajudicial murder justified by labeling the victim “terrorist” is illegal and should not be accepted in a free and open society.

The ‘terrorist’ label was invented as a means of abrogating human rights by governments who felt they were encumbered by the obligation to protect human rights. “Terrorist” labeling is a totalitarian-authoritarian apparatus to avoid culpability for its actions when a government decides the easiest solution to its problem is outright murder.

Re: US judge finds NSO Group liable for hacking journalists via WhatsApp

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

wslh wrote: post #39

There are many other companies beyond NSO Group, if I were a journalist I would write a more comprehensive list of them and educate about this whole "industry".

Very few companies’ work results in outright murder of the targeted victims.

If you know of any other cyber criminal organizations like the NSO, where governments use their tools to select and murder targets, please describe them.

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