Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

cnbc.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 692 posts

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#71

Post by honeybadger1 »

Animats wrote: post #37
ra7 wrote: post #13

GM believed Kyle Vogt when he was hyping up their tech by having small, meaningless deployments in a dozen cities and promising $1B revenue by 2025. Then they had that incident and GM found out exactly how far behind Waymo they are. Waymo is now giving 175k rides every week and expanding to new markets every year. No other robotaxi company in the entire country giving rides to the public. Now they've gone back to wha…

Cruise started as "fake it til you make it", with a drive down the Great Highway in San Francisco. The ideal public road - several miles of straight road with no cross streets. They managed to parlay that into an acquisition by GM and board seats on GM's board. Then they didn't deliver. Waymo hasn't left blood on the pavement. Cruise and Tesla have.

considering humans leave oceans of blood in their wake with their own driving, all of the autonomous driving companies are doing great by your measurement of success

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#72

Post by sidibe »

bfrog wrote: post #36

Yeah the robotaxi is a pipe dream grift. Humans are gross and nasty, I think some of these people need to do a ride along in a cab sometime in the winter in a busy poorly marked city on a Friday or Saturday night. Pray tell how the robot kicks passengers out or navigates the inevitable unexpected weather/human activity.

It's wild that no one bats an eye at these things in some locations now and in other places people still insist they'll never exist

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#73

Post by honeybadger1 »

fyrn_ wrote: post #63
fixprix wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how Waymo is going to survive the onslaught that is CyberCab. Cheaper to build and operate, more efficient, much faster to build, and deployable across all cities without any manual configuration. The clock is ticking on Waymo, they have 2 years to figure out how to compete otherwise they're cooked. It's very similar to legacy space and internet, the existing players saw SpaceX coming years out, did nothi…

There is no proof that tesla can make FSD work with the level of safety they would need for a robitaxi service. Especially with camera only. If they do pull that off, or are able pivot to a fused sensor architecture then I do think their hardware potential will make them a good competitor.

[flagged]

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#74

Post by jitl »

fixprix wrote: post #59
standardUser wrote: post #19

Waymo needs competition. Who else is even close to being able to provide it? I'd hate to think Tesla is next in line because they haven't even started a commercial pilot program yet.

I don't see how Waymo is going to survive the onslaught that is CyberCab. Cheaper to build and operate, more efficient, much faster to build, and deployable across all cities without any manual configuration. The clock is ticking on Waymo, they have 2 years to figure out how to compete otherwise they're cooked. It's very similar to legacy space and internet, the existing players saw SpaceX coming years out, did nothi…

What is this based on? Some made up target numbers? Tesla isn’t going any of this stuff yet so they have no idea what it really costs.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#75

Post by PKop »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #34
bobthepanda wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's a significantly lower volume of taxis sold than personal cars sold, and if taxis got bigger in the way the self driving utopians foresaw, it would significantly cut into their personal car sales.

Car sales in the US go down every year and have since the 90s, were past peak car. They need to find a new market.

Why make something up like this?

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#76

Post by correlator »

axus wrote: post #41
chrchr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes you wonder how much more effective U.S. auto makers might be without the regulation that requires them to sell through dealerships.

Isn't Tesla service worse than the dealerships? Maybe things have changed, my opinion is completely based on what I've read on the Internet.

I love the tesla service. Bought my car without talking to a single sales person, they come to my home to rotate my tires on my schedule. Only complaint is cosmetic service tends to have a long appointment wait time, but things like a cracked windshield were immediately serviced.

I don't know how I will switch to another car brand after this.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#77

Post by correlator »

jedberg wrote: post #67
rgovostes wrote: post #3

> GM said in a statement that “... an increasingly competitive robotaxi market” were the reasons for the change. Isn't there basically Google/Waymo and then, seemingly much further behind, Tesla Cybertaxi, Amazon/Zoox, and Uber/Yandex? Cruise allegedly has one of the most sophisticated autonomous driving platforms, and GM's Super Cruise (if they share any tech) is comparable to Tesla FSD. Strange that they would bow…

And when you go to Tesla for a test drive, they first thing they do is shove it into auto-cruise or whatever they call it whether you want to or not! At least that is what happened to me when I test drove one 10 years ago. Maybe they don't do that anymore.

Wow that must have been a wild experience 10 years ago!

Today, I think they should do this. It is rare I need to touch the wheel or pedal these days and people should experience it.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#78

Post by genewitch »

Veserv wrote: post #54
CamperBob2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo hasn't left blood on the pavement. Cruise and Tesla have. As long as we're clutching our pearls and being overdramatic, how much blood have the humans left on the pavement in the meantime?

On a normalized basis in the USA? 1 fatality per ~4000-5000 years of driving. 1 injury per ~60-70 years of driving. Can you point to scientifically rigorous evidence, at least reaching the bare minimum of fit for publication, of the absolute level of safety of those systems and where they stand in comparison? How many people am I allowed to kill or injure before I need to run scientific studies on unproven and empiri…

This rebuttal is fine, i guess, but to answer your final question: At least 1645 deaths if your government is british. I forget the US numbers, but globally you can kill upwards of 30,000 people with unproven and empirically fatal technology.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#79

Post by hibikir »

floxy wrote: post #49
throwaway48476 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Car sales in the US go down every year and have since the 90s, were past peak car. They need to find a new market.

I'm not seeing that trend in this data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA ...maybe you are meaning something more specific?

He is right if you look at cars, vs vehicles, but that's due to sales moving to larger vehicles that don't count as cars. But when it comes to self driving or electrification, the difference between car and truck isn't significant. Therefore, vehicles sales being up is what matters.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

#80

Post by jedberg »

correlator wrote: post #77
jedberg wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when you go to Tesla for a test drive, they first thing they do is shove it into auto-cruise or whatever they call it whether you want to or not! At least that is what happened to me when I test drove one 10 years ago. Maybe they don't do that anymore.

Wow that must have been a wild experience 10 years ago! Today, I think they should do this. It is rare I need to touch the wheel or pedal these days and people should experience it.

Yeah 10 years ago it was a bit much. It was pretty much just lane keeping and distance keeping, but it didn't read signs or lights yet. So if you're coming up on a signal it would just keep going!
Post reply on HN