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Re: Amazon Nova

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This is a digression, but I really wish Amazon would be more normal in their product descriptions. Amazon is rapidly developing its own jargon such that you need to understand how Amazon talks about things (and its existing product lineup) before you can understand half of what they're saying about a new thing. The way they describe their products seems almost designed to obfuscate what they really do. Every time the…

That may be generally true, but the linked page says Nova is a series of foundation models in the first sentence.

Yeah but even then they won't describe it using the same sort of language that everyone else developing these things does. How many parameters? What kind of corpus was it trained on? MoE, single model, or something else? Will the weights be available?

It doesn't even use the words "LLM", "multimodal" or "transformer" which are clearly the most relevant terms here... "foundation model" isn't wrong but it's also the most abstract way to describe it.

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Everyone I know who's worked at Amazon says Jeff Bezos has his hand in everything to the detriment of product design. I've heard multiple accounts of him seeing a WIP and asking for changes that compromise the product's MVP.

"Jeff Bezos is an infamous micro-manager. He micro-manages every single pixel of Amazon's retail site. He hired Larry Tesler, Apple's Chief Scientist and probably the very most famous and respected human-computer interaction expert in the entire world, and then ignored every goddamn thing Larry said for three years until Larry finally -- wisely -- left the company." https://gist.github.com/kislayverma/d48b84db1ac5d73…

Why was this being downvoted? It’s first-party evidence that substantiates the claims of the parent comment, and adds interesting historical context from major industry players

Re: Amazon Nova

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This is a digression, but I really wish Amazon would be more normal in their product descriptions. Amazon is rapidly developing its own jargon such that you need to understand how Amazon talks about things (and its existing product lineup) before you can understand half of what they're saying about a new thing. The way they describe their products seems almost designed to obfuscate what they really do. Every time the…

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Re: Amazon Nova

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Setting up AWS so you can try it via Amazon Bedrock API is a hassle, so I made a step-by-step guide: https://ndurner.github.io/amazon-nova . It's 14+ steps!

Thank you!

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That may be generally true, but the linked page says Nova is a series of foundation models in the first sentence.

Yeah but even then they won't describe it using the same sort of language that everyone else developing these things does. How many parameters? What kind of corpus was it trained on? MoE, single model, or something else? Will the weights be available? It doesn't even use the words "LLM", "multimodal" or "transformer" which are clearly the most relevant terms here... "foundation model" isn't wrong but it's also the mo…

None of those matters (except multimodal). If you are running a business, the only thing that matters is

a) How does it perform on my set of evals

b) What is the cost/latency of serving it to my consumers.

It shouldn't matter to me how many parameters, corpus it is trained on, whether it's LLM or Transformer or something else

Re: Amazon Nova

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This is a digression, but I really wish Amazon would be more normal in their product descriptions. Amazon is rapidly developing its own jargon such that you need to understand how Amazon talks about things (and its existing product lineup) before you can understand half of what they're saying about a new thing. The way they describe their products seems almost designed to obfuscate what they really do. Every time the…

Once upon a time there were (and still are) mainframes (and SAP is similar in this respect). These insular systems came with their own tools, their own ecosystem, their own terminology, their own certifications, etc. And you could rent compute & co on them.

If you think of clouds as being cross continent mainframes, a lot more things make a more sense.

Re: Amazon Nova

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A rough idea of the price differences... Per 1k tokens Input | Output Amazon Nova Micro: $0.000035 | $0.00014 Amazon Nova Lite: $0.00006 | $0.00024 Amazon Nova Pro: $0.0008 | $0.0032 Claude 3.5 Sonnet: $0.003 | $0.015 Claude 3.5 Haiku: $0.0008 | $0.0004 Claude 3 Opus: $0.015 | $0.075 Source: AWS Bedrock Pricing https://aws.amazon.com/bedrock/pricing/

I suggest you give the price per million token as seems to be the standard.

I'm guessing they just copy pasted from the official docs page.

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TL;DR comparison of models vs frontier models on public benchmarks here https://imgur.com/a/CKMIhmm

This doesn't include all the benchmarks. The one that really stands out is GroundUI-1K, where it beats the competition by 46%. Nova Pro looks like it could be a SOTA-comparable model at a lower price point.

SOTA?

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> It's really amusing how bad Amazon is at writing and designing UI. For most of AWS offerings, it literally doesn't matter and logging in to AWS Console is a break glass thing. Case in point: this very article. It uses boto3 to interface with AWS.

At the same time, AWS has tons of services that are explicitly designed for usage through the console. For example, many features of CloudWatch

Those are probably implemented by interns.
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