I think it gets worse > To prevent artifacts produced by head and eye movements caused by shifting gaze between the screen and the keyboard, typed words did not appear on the screen while the participant was typewriting. So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. Too many variables are changed between the two tests. A) writers can see whole words vs no visual feedback B) writer…
> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.
Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship?
My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).
> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.
Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).
Learn to type? I never got over my penman ship problem, I just learnt to type and printed all my exams in college. And then it didn’t matter much after school since I would mostly type anyways.
If I had to do it over again, I would probably force myself to write right handed. It should be possible to get used to it, but that would really be a choice they have to make for themselves.
In the age of AGI why is handwriting recognition still so bad and not a mainstream technology?
Why do I still have to painstakingly write math formulas in LaTeX instead of just writing them by hand?
Why don't we write computer code by hand instead of typing it in and struggling with encodings?
We have face/object recognition and audio recognition which is often better than humans. But handwriting recognition is still quite lacking. Are there technical reasons for that or is our monopolistic IT industry just focusing on the things nobody needs like Metaverses, Augmented Reality and Chatbots?
> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.
Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).
Not sure if it can be found online, but there is a hand position trick that allows left-handed people to "drag" the pencil instead of pushing which makes it much closer to right-handed motions.
I am left-handed and my handwriting is terrible, but my partner is also left-handed and her handwriting is very nice but she position her hands as described above to "pull", so clearly it can be done if you apply yourself.
She also hand writes a lot more while I am almost exclusively typing these days so practice definitely helps.
In the age of AGI why is handwriting recognition still so bad and not a mainstream technology? Why do I still have to painstakingly write math formulas in LaTeX instead of just writing them by hand? Why don't we write computer code by hand instead of typing it in and struggling with encodings? We have face/object recognition and audio recognition which is often better than humans. But handwriting recognition is still…
Because writing by hand is slower for most people, and makes editing difficult?
> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.
Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).
I'm left handed and had terrible penmanship as a child and all through undergrad. A few things have really helped me.
1. Get pens that write with low friction. As a lefty you're 'pushing' the pen instead of pulling it, and tools with higher friction cause the pen to tilt up in your hand. I found writing with gel pens, a nice fountain pen, or now I use 0.2/0.25 inking pens as my main 'daily driver'.
2. Focus on a few 'problem letters' and get them well sorted. I always struggled with things like 'u' and 'v', '5' and 's', etc. In college I had to make these work, so I spent a lot of time developing a specific style for all of the problem symbols and got *really* good at them.
3. Print vs cursive. I know in school they make you learn cursive, but a lot of the connections between letters decrease readability, and increase complexity for writing them. I no long write in pure cursive, but I have a sort of hybrid print/cursive script. I write many letters in their cursive form as they are faster and flow better, but I never connect letters together. It is a good compromise between speed and readability.
4. Practice, practice, practice. I know this is probably self evident, but it really does take practice. Practice writing letters slowly. It's like martial arts, you go slow and get the movement perfect. Then do it over and over again. That builds the muscle memory better.
> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.
Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).
Learn to write upside down, then turn the paper upside down and write from right to left.
Crappy science aside, I second the findings, sort of. I always carry a notebook/pen with me, writing/drawing helps my brain process information in a way that doesn't happen with a keyboard. Whiteboards are even better, if slightly less portable.
Hey now dimwits, it's not like I'm forcing anyone, just sharing my experience.
I've been taking notes in a text editor since 1994. What I found was that taking notes via computer was much easier because I could finally keep up with what I'm taking notes about (typing is MUCH faster than writing), and could therefore spend more time considering the thing I'm taking notes on, rearrange things, group them, etc using simple keyboard commands. My impression is that my retention went way up and I had…
During college lectures my retention was highest when I didn’t notes at all. I found that if I took notes, most of my brain power went towards capturing the content instead of actively engaging with it. Once I stopped taking notes, it freed up my mind to think critically about the material and helped me quickly identify when I was confused about something. When I was confused, I was able to ask the professor about it…
A middle ground is just to jot down a few words when something is unclear, just enough to let you know what you need to go back and review.
Not all professors want to take questions during lecture, it works fine in small classes but it can be quite disruptive in a large lecture class when you have a sylabus to stick to in a fixed number of lecture meetings.
"Allowing the use of (the fingers of) both hands would cause many unforeseen effects on the brain, which would make it hard to interpret the results" so all participants had to "type using the right index finger [only]". How does one rule out the relevance of those "unforeseen effects" when claiming to compare typing in general vs handwriting in general? The paper only contains that one line about the matter, in the…
> Allowing the use of (the fingers of) both hands would cause many unforeseen effects on the brain, which would make it hard to interpret the results. Participants gave their informed written consent
but is it truly informed consent if it is written with multiple fingers?