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Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Cut out the middleman. Become friend with the bees. You gain a hive mind as friend, and honey! :D

Bit to get honey would mean to rob your hive friend.

Na dude, they are chill. They produce more under your friendship so you can keep a little. If they think the relationship is going toxic they just leave. It's awesome

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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wow, it's almost like cutting taxes and disassembling the regulatory state creates bad outcomes anywhere it's profitable.

you mean interfering with the free market

Of course. Free markets in the sense of being completely unregulated, are logically incompatible with regulated ones.

As a consumer, I want a regulated market. I want product safety and a lack of fraud.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

Are you talking about a specific country or anywhere (in the West, I assume)?

What I had heard was that anything that isn't "single source" likely has sugar syrup added. this includes all major brands. I wouldn't even trust the expensive "organic" versions of big brands. Apparently exported Chinese "honey" is the main offender which gets mixed with other sources.

Two of the supermarkets in the UK I shop in have their own brand "Spanish Forest Honey", that claims to be single source from Spain. I have no reason to not trust that it is yet. It is about x2-3 more expensive than the big mainstream brands, darker and tastes stronger.

The Spanish producers could be adding sugar syrup as well I suppose, but aside from hunting down honey from farmers markets it's the best option I have.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Feels like wherever you turn, you see a high-trust society disintegrating into a low-trust one.

Rose colored glasses looking at the past. Nostalgia for something that never was.

Do you have evidence of that? Things do change, and sometimes for the worse.

PE squeezing hospitals, nursing homes, and rent is a new thing. Look at rents - the inflation of them is not something that happened in the past.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

#75

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Regulation can ensure that businesses doing things right can actually complete. How the hell is my local beekeeper supposed to compete against people selling jars of corn syrup?

> Regulation can ensure that businesses doing things right can actually complete Regulation adds fixed costs. That always increases barriers to entry. The aim is to make that barrier worth it. (You can also directly mitigate it, but this is less common.) But in the cases of food and medicine, regulation has absolutely forced consolidation. The pitch from Big Pharma and Big Ag when buying out biotech and food start-up…

It increases one barrier which can reduce others - the illicit market power and practices of unregulated competitors.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

#76

Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

The place I buy honey is run by an older woman in Vermont who owns a lovely apiary. I've visited and seen the process, she's fantastic, her product is delicious, and it's as real as it gets. They're 4th gen family owned, so they really know what they're doing and it's all about the bees, the honey and their reputation.

Plus the honey is so delicious. When I visited she gave me this little container of the foam that collects on top of the raw honey. It was delicious, I ate a little spoonful of it every day until it ran out.

I don't work for them, I don't get money from them, I'm just an enthusiastic long-term customer.

Champlain Valley Apiaries: https://www.champlainvalleyhoney.com/

I cannot recommend them enough.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

#77

Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

I regularly buy honey from the supermarket from a long established Greek brand and it’s as good as any honey I get from local markets, if not better.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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I think the FDA should build towards mass food analysis. To sell something en masse you should have to put down a deposit, and the FDA should do an annual analysis of your food (via mass spectometry) from samples from the food store. They should mix dozens of samples from different states to get good coverage. Should you fail (illegal pesticides, ingredients differ than label, too much lead, whatever) then you lose y…

> For small local brands I'd exempt them until the economics became viable.

Why would they suddenly become viable? The only way that would happen is if the price of the product is increased to cover the costs of what you're proposing. This will destroy small suppliers and increase the cost of everything to cover a set of risks that you haven't even fully characterized yet.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

#79

Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

But all the honey labels say the only ingredient is honey. We've always been able to assume that with things like jams, or any other food, when manufacturers adulterate it with things like corn syrup, or even mild poisons, they proudly say so on the label. To not do so is fraud. How can people just claim that an entire industry is committing fraud??? Even this article doesn't mention anything about proof, just suspicions. Why can't they prove it? To make these kind of claims without proof is arguably worse than fraud. This would all be outrageous if it's true, since it becomes impossible to make any rational choices as consumers if the food system has gone fraudulent.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

#80

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Are you sure what you believe is unadulterated honey because you are familiar with the taste, is not just adulterated and you are just so accustomed to fake honey that you confuse the two? I say that because basically all the honey I’ve ever bought in a store has always tasted flat and lacked flavor depth that has long made me wonder about its authority compared to known hive honey.

I’ve had raw honey straight from both domesticated and wild hives as it was collected so unless the bees themselves are adulterating it, I think I’ve got an accurate baseline for how honey is supposed to taste. Go out and buy a good manuka or wild Himalayan honey and you’ll quickly learn how to spot the real stuff. The honey I buy isn’t meant to look like filtered golden sugar syrup so adulterating it is practically…

I remember an episode of Dirty Jobs where there was an old candy plant or something that bees had gotten into, and they made blue honey from the syrup that was left over in the plant.

Rare, but possibly the bees were doing a swindle.

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