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Javier Milei: "My contempt for the state is infinite"

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Re: Javier Milei: "My contempt for the state is infinite"

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Post by dmarcos »

pavlov wrote: post #46
aylmao wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state holds a lot of power in Singapore, it's very authoritarian. Sounds quite at odds to Milei and his libertarian idology.

The anti-state people often like the idea of an authoritarian leader figure who will fix things by their genius and power of will. Some really do want monarchy (see Curtis Yarvin), but others believe that the dissolution of state power needs to go through an authoritarian phase to happen at all. It’s not so different from the old-school communists who claimed that a “dictatorship of the proletariat” is a necessary st…

Is not Milei in Argentina the first self-identified libertarian president in history? Where has libertarianism failed?

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Post by brg »

dmarcos wrote: post #71
pavlov wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-state people often like the idea of an authoritarian leader figure who will fix things by their genius and power of will. Some really do want monarchy (see Curtis Yarvin), but others believe that the dissolution of state power needs to go through an authoritarian phase to happen at all. It’s not so different from the old-school communists who claimed that a “dictatorship of the proletariat” is a necessary st…

Is not Milei in Argentina the first self-identified libertarian president in history? Where has libertarianism failed?

IMHO, Libertarianism fails not by collapse but by success. Any movement in the direction brings economic and social freedom, but in turn creates soft times in which a society's pendulum shift back to larger government is inevitable.

Re: Javier Milei: "My contempt for the state is infinite"

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Post by foogazi »

TriangleEdge wrote: post #32
avidphantasm wrote: post #21

There wouldn’t be free markets without the state. So he either doesn’t actually want free markets and wants to run a mafia state like Putin, or he is a complete idiot.

Citation needed

Pirates ?

The free market in the real 3D world we inhabit needs freedom to operate granted by the local people/state

Re: Javier Milei: "My contempt for the state is infinite"

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Post by pavlov »

dmarcos wrote: post #71
pavlov wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-state people often like the idea of an authoritarian leader figure who will fix things by their genius and power of will. Some really do want monarchy (see Curtis Yarvin), but others believe that the dissolution of state power needs to go through an authoritarian phase to happen at all. It’s not so different from the old-school communists who claimed that a “dictatorship of the proletariat” is a necessary st…

Is not Milei in Argentina the first self-identified libertarian president in history? Where has libertarianism failed?

Here’s a funny recent one:

https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-int...

“When a group of libertarians set about scrapping their local government, chaos descended. And then the bears moved in”

But surely there’s a million reasons why these were not True Libertarians, they were just doing it wrong, and the ideology is actually sound. Just like with communism.

Re: Javier Milei: "My contempt for the state is infinite"

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Post by 343rwerfd »

wslh wrote: post #31
rodrigobellusci wrote: post #18

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Regarding you first point, that's expected to change sometime during next year. Let's hope they keep their word. Personally I don't think it would have been a good idea to let the value of the USD run free. If Milei and co. had done that from day one everyone would have rushed to buy dollars. My 2 cents: I like that inflation is lower than ever, and hope that it keeps going down. I want our currency and country to be…

> Personally I don't think it would have been a good idea to let the value of the USD run free. If Milei and co. had done that from day one everyone would have rushed to buy dollars. You are, of course, free to express your opinion. However, the issue I see with your argument is that if a libertarian, pro-Austrian economics government decides to control the USD/ARS exchange rate, it contradicts the principles on whic…

In Argentina, this pro-Austrian economics government which has severe limitations in terms of law, regulations, and the heavily destroyed general economy of the country, does not have enough freedom to swiftly change things to "what ideally should be".

You have to thoughfully begin to implement changes in order for them to take place in the precise step-by-step order to actually change stuff towards an actual free market economy, and at the same time not just blowing up society's political support.

You cannot just make a jump from 40 to 80% of general poverty promising somewhere in the range from 5 to 15 years they begin to recover their previous economic statuses.

In Argentina, there is even a time constrain: 36 months precisely, after this the society's processes for a general election for presidency begin, and if the current government hasn't achieved enough success in the general population's opinion, one year later, it is not anymore the government.

Hence Milei is just going the fastest he can through the explained process.

I think the people voted a political leadership with enough empaty to understand they cannot just crush the population with free markets policies given the atrocius consequences of doing so without the minimal pre-conditions previously achieved.

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Post by avidphantasm »

drexlspivey wrote: post #51
Xunjin wrote: post #40

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When you mean old is when? Also would love you to expand on this too.

Roughly 1830-1890. I am referring to frontier territories before/during the westward expansion. There were mining/cattle towns (eg Deadwood). There was no official federal or state government yet. They operated under a free market obviously (you could trade with anyone, no taxes or levies). Disputes were resolved through arbitration or informal courts. They relied on private lawmen or hired security (Pinkertons)

And those markets relied upon the US Army to remove Native Americans to create the “free” real estate upon which the whole thing relied.

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #14
Muromec wrote: post #10

I'm as anarhist as any other wanna be erlang developer, but it's odd to see Trump mentioned in the context of taming Leviathan, when he promises to use military to deport millions of people out of the country under martial law kind of regime. I guess one persons libertarian hero is another persons statist opressor. I would not care less if not the military to use for taming the Leviathan wasn't biggest in the world a…

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virtually all Africans, middle easterners, and Asians have a fundamentally paternalistic view

Don't write things like this here. You have a Twitter TL for this.

Re: Javier Milei: "My contempt for the state is infinite"

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Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #77
rayiner wrote: post #14

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virtually all Africans, middle easterners, and Asians have a fundamentally paternalistic view Don't write things like this here. You have a Twitter TL for this.

My comment was relevant to the article and the post to which I was responding. If you want to interpret the rules to preclude any generalizations about people from different cultures when talking about those people as a group, then you should ban any discussion of immigration. Because any discussion of immigration that requires pretending groups of people are culturally fungible is simply misinformation--ignorant people talking to each other based on shared ignorant assumptions.

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #78
tptacek wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

virtually all Africans, middle easterners, and Asians have a fundamentally paternalistic view Don't write things like this here. You have a Twitter TL for this.

My comment was relevant to the article and the post to which I was responding. If you want to interpret the rules to preclude any generalizations about people from different cultures when talking about those people as a group , then you should ban any discussion of immigration. Because any discussion of immigration that requires pretending groups of people are culturally fungible is simply misinformation--ignorant pe…

That's not what you said, and I'm not interested in having a debate about what was playing inside your head when you wrote it; as you well know, we're responsible for the impact our comments have on the threads, and this was obviously a provocation.

I'm not the boss of this place; you can just mail hn@ycombinator.com if you'd like to propose a new guideline about "discussion of immigration".

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Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #79
rayiner wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was relevant to the article and the post to which I was responding. If you want to interpret the rules to preclude any generalizations about people from different cultures when talking about those people as a group , then you should ban any discussion of immigration. Because any discussion of immigration that requires pretending groups of people are culturally fungible is simply misinformation--ignorant pe…

That's not what you said, and I'm not interested in having a debate about what was playing inside your head when you wrote it; as you well know, we're responsible for the impact our comments have on the threads , and this was obviously a provocation. I'm not the boss of this place; you can just mail hn@ycombinator.com if you'd like to propose a new guideline about "discussion of immigration".

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