Maybe EU should enforce crippling economic sanctions and trade embargo against Romanian population for daring to vote wrong?
EU Summons TikTok CEO After Romanian Election Shocker
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#72That's certainly easier than sitting down and questioning your own decisions over the last couple of decades and wondering why people are voting in ways you don't like (For the record I'm not a Tiktok user and I think it's a net negative to society)
Agreed, would they have called the CEO of TikTok if one of the mainstream parties had won? To me it looks like the EU wants to become an auditor of the elections of the EU members and is taking sides. And here I thought that the EU wanted to promote democracy and the will of the people.
Read the article. What is concerning is not that some politician with extreme views did well in an election. The concern is that a politician did well because of a large number of votes from people who admit to not even knowing much about him.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
You make the assumption that social media is the main source of truth for voters. But people are waking up and vote because of what they see with their own eyes.
OK, please stealman the argument for Georgescu's platform.
what was this guy's platform anyway? The internet doesn't have much detail in english as far as I can tell from a few quick searches. wikipedia has "Among his campaign stances were strengthening Romania's defence capabilities, diversifying Romania's diplomatic relations, increased support for farmers, promoting energy and food production, and reducing dependency on imports" which is kind of vague and could be great ideas or a mixed bag depending on the actual details. (i.e. strengthening defence capabilities and diversifying diplomatic relations seem pretty spot on if they are middle of the road in that direction policies, but could be very bad if they are not. "supporting farmers" could mean anything from good ideas (decreasing over-regulation [that in itself needs a book to explain it accurately so just assume it means something you think is good for getting rid of a regulation]) to very terrible ideas (explicit subsidy,etc).)
Re: EU Summons TikTok CEO After Romanian Election Shocker
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds like either the pollsters or the people running the election have significantly bigger problems than whatever that candidate might or might not have done. How did they not find any of the people swayed by TikTok? Why are they even looking at TikTok at that point?
"It didn't go as we wanted, someone else must be to blame!" If TikTok (or any other platform) can have this kind of real impact then other political forces should consider using it as well.
This is not a really easy thing to do:
Lets analyze a bit just on the top of our heads what kind of content goes viral on social media?
I so far almost (I write here almost just in case I missed one case) NEVER saw any rational, sensible discussion.
So no, not all parties or arguments get the same amount of exposure even if they use TiKTok. Only the simplest (as in ignoring the complexity of situations), conspirationist, false and sometimes stupid challenges ones go viral.
Re: EU Summons TikTok CEO After Romanian Election Shocker
#75Adding to this discussion here one point of view:
So if we say in almost every country that social media is bad and oh my people are using it wrong and we should change people to better handle social media, could it not be the case that maybe people are not wrong but social media is?
Why do we have to do such amount of change to accommodate the way our current social media works? Could it be that people are using it wrong or that social media is a negative influence and we should fix that.
Re: EU Summons TikTok CEO After Romanian Election Shocker
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It didn't go as we wanted, someone else must be to blame!" If TikTok (or any other platform) can have this kind of real impact then other political forces should consider using it as well.
This is not a really easy thing to do: Lets analyze a bit just on the top of our heads what kind of content goes viral on social media? I so far almost (I write here almost just in case I missed one case) NEVER saw any rational, sensible discussion. So no, not all parties or arguments get the same amount of exposure even if they use TiKTok. Only the simplest (as in ignoring the complexity of situations), conspiration…
It's not hard to create content for TikTok (also, I don't think it's hard to do "debunk shorts" if they wanted to). They should just do it as this new "short video" form clearly works.
edit: Were you perhaps replying to someone else?
Re: EU Summons TikTok CEO After Romanian Election Shocker
#77the situation is simple: the guy that got 1st place with 22% (after being invisible until just 2 weeks before the elections) posted a shitstorm of content (without labelling it as political content), via some obscure hashtags, paid micro influencers to share and post and then sent a lot of bots to comment, share and broadcast. all while the other candidates were not allowed to post anything.
the guy took advantage of tiktok algorithms and manipulated micro influencers into reaching his audience.. everything in 1-2 weeks.
tiktok is not to blame, but it wasn't real democracy.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
You seem to be denying the fact that humans are easily programmed meat machines, even the best of us. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8116821/
You make the assumption that social media is the main source of truth for voters. But people are waking up and vote because of what they see with their own eyes.
which is precisely why 65% of votes went to Trump and JD Vance in Springfield, Ohio /s
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#79That's certainly easier than sitting down and questioning your own decisions over the last couple of decades and wondering why people are voting in ways you don't like (For the record I'm not a Tiktok user and I think it's a net negative to society)
In this specific case of the first round of Romanian presidential election the traditional candidates from the bigger parties (PNL/PSD which have a government coalition at the moment) have both admitted to understanding why they lost and that the people's vote was against their policies. Both of these leaders have quit their leadership positions in their respective parties. There is still a very serious discussion go…
I find it so incredibly funny that even questioning western media immediately puts a leader into fascist category but someone loses an election in romania and questioning tiktok is just the wisest more logical and righteous thing to do. "Fascism" exists now in the same space as "communism" did during cold war - easy othering.
EDIT: And may be that is why there is huge distrust against media. It is quite disturbing that tea-party has became the new hippie movement.
Re: EU Summons TikTok CEO After Romanian Election Shocker
#80That's certainly easier than sitting down and questioning your own decisions over the last couple of decades and wondering why people are voting in ways you don't like (For the record I'm not a Tiktok user and I think it's a net negative to society)
In this specific case of the first round of Romanian presidential election the traditional candidates from the bigger parties (PNL/PSD which have a government coalition at the moment) have both admitted to understanding why they lost and that the people's vote was against their policies. Both of these leaders have quit their leadership positions in their respective parties. There is still a very serious discussion go…
Since the resignations, the PSD candidate was resurrected and is back on course to become president, after the result of the democratic vote was .. cancelled.
How is that "understanding" looking now ?