OP I feel like you should quit your job now and find a better place.
Agile Is Dead
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#72Poe's Law is hitting me in the face right now. This is satire, right? I can't quite tell (seriously! please tell me) If it is satire, it's quite subtle and well done. It references the old reasons why "Agile" was invented (current software development processes being bureaucratic and meeting-intensive, the new one will be lightweight and engineer-led). If it is not satire, the juxtaposition is striking.
No satire
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
That works when there is 1 engineer and one marketer. When there are hundreds of engineers and many marketers you risk the marketer unknowingly asks an engineer who isn't the right one and that person over promises not realized the full scope of the problem and how it will affect others who are also making their own promises.
A company with hundreds of engineers and anyone of them can overpromise on some random feature? Sounds like a widespread communication issue.
That is why we have processes - so people know what promises they can make.
Communication is hard - you can spend all day, every day in meetings and get nothing done and still fall behind in communication needed to make this large project work.
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#74From the enterprise perspective, the purpose of Agile was to fail while giving the appearance of the greatest and most conscientious possible effort. "If it can't be done this way, it can't be done at all": time to gift more tens of millions of dollars to IBM and Oracle and Microsoft.
Not all that counts can be counted. Not all that can be counted counts. I hate Agile and I'm not going to try and sugar coat that. "We're drowning under the weight of clueless product leads, managers, and owners who've never written a line of code" That's why this still exists though not performant, because it some peoples entire entire careers now.
We don't care about productivity. We care about controlling labor. The more control you have over your labor the more you feel like you're doing things. Zero trust. Zero verification. That's just how it works.
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#75Bertrand Meyer wrote a very good book called
Agile: the good, the bad and the ugly.
Which really, gives a good balanced view of the practices and the hype.
Reading, is what removed the veil in my eyes.
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#77The old manifesto is fine, isn't it? --- Individuals and interactions -- over processes and tools Working software -- over comprehensive documentation Customer collaboration -- over contract negotiation Responding to change -- over following a plan --- I still like it. The problem is not the lack of a good manifesto, is that people don't get it. Anyway, I like that someone else apart from me is thinking about these t…
Agile is like communism - it sounds like a great idea. Except it never seems to work anywhere, and everywhere that it turns into a train wreck consisting of 45 minute daily stand-ups and 3 hour meetings arguing about T-shirt sizes or whether points are equivalent to time or not, the only explanation anyone ever proffers is, "well, you weren't doing Agile right". No fucking shit. Nobody can do Agile right. I would arg…
The people who “do agile right” are out there. Just, like the agile manifesto says, they’re authoring their own processes. And because of that, they don’t have to call it agile - or really call it anything. They just go into work, figure out what needs doing, and take responsibility and do it.
I’ve worked in plenty of teams that did this sort of thing. All different. And at different scales - startups to big tech to game jams.
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#78Dumb shits misapplying Agile because "we do standups" are dead. The entire point is and always has been to get the right people working on the right stuff in such a way that they can validate their assumptions and get customer feedback as soon as possible. Not how well you "do Scrum," "increase your velocity," or any of that trash. But actually applying these concepts breaks some managers' brains, and then we get the…
So true. 90% of Agile practitioners give the rest a bad reputation.
Um....
Isn't there some rule of thumb where some substantial threshold of popular regard defined it?
I mean I get if there is first principles derivation of a concept, but agilation is not that.
Agile is really a communal/socialist mechanism that is ruined the second management more than one later up injects themselves.
... Which is 100% of the time
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
So true. 90% of Agile practitioners give the rest a bad reputation.
Um.... Isn't there some rule of thumb where some substantial threshold of popular regard defined it? I mean I get if there is first principles derivation of a concept, but agilation is not that. Agile is really a communal/socialist mechanism that is ruined the second management more than one later up injects themselves. ... Which is 100% of the time
Not really in this case, because the manifesto was put out there from the beginning. People's incompetence to actually look at a website and read 4 phrases and doing fake agile is one thing. Agile is another.
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#80The old manifesto is fine, isn't it? --- Individuals and interactions -- over processes and tools Working software -- over comprehensive documentation Customer collaboration -- over contract negotiation Responding to change -- over following a plan --- I still like it. The problem is not the lack of a good manifesto, is that people don't get it. Anyway, I like that someone else apart from me is thinking about these t…
I like it too, but was always a problem for me: > Customer collaboration -- over contract negotiation Customer is often too busy with his own work to collaborate meaningfully.
If you go to the customer and the customer doesn't answer your questions, that is obviously a huge problem. Then that customer is not ready to work agile. Maybe the situation can be salvaged, maybe not. If not, then apparently it is not the customer you would want as an agile team.