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Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by ksec »

xlii wrote: post #68
ksec wrote: post #60

I remember this blog. Magic Lasso Adblock is Apple ecosystem only. Its view on pretty much everything is basically Daring Fireball. >tends to be misunderstood to mean that Chrome is like Internet Explorer was in 2009 >Despite being the market share leader, there is significant evidence that Chrome is trailing in speed, efficiency and standards interoperability. >Perhaps the browser with the most disruptive potential…

Actually, quick search leads to [0] (not very reliable, but still better than nothing) shows that Chrome and derivatives take 72%. As other commenters mention, Safari is mostly locked to the Apple ecosystem, so IMO Chrome on non-Apple systems is around 90%. Firefox is metered to 3% which is lower than reality (due to adblocking). My personal experience is, however, very similar to IE golden age. In order to interact…

>Neither Firefox nor Safari are supported

Depending on which country it is, but Safari is anywhere from 30% to 60% of marketshare on smartphone. I have yet to see any government website that is not tested against Safari.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by xlii »

ksec wrote: post #71
xlii wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, quick search leads to [0] (not very reliable, but still better than nothing) shows that Chrome and derivatives take 72%. As other commenters mention, Safari is mostly locked to the Apple ecosystem, so IMO Chrome on non-Apple systems is around 90%. Firefox is metered to 3% which is lower than reality (due to adblocking). My personal experience is, however, very similar to IE golden age. In order to interact…

>Neither Firefox nor Safari are supported Depending on which country it is, but Safari is anywhere from 30% to 60% of marketshare on smartphone. I have yet to see any government website that is not tested against Safari.

It depends on the context.

In US I believe that might be true (same site reports around 35%). But those numbers are dropping by a half when you move out.

In India 90%+ reported is Chrome. In Europe Safari is ~20% on average and where I reside it’s around 7% with Chrome being 75%.

Nobody here cares for web correctness. Situation is absurd: e.g. using Safari to input masked password letters for a bank login causes a random number of fields skipping forward. Called that in, no one cares.

When looking at the numbers I would say that US (because of high Safari usage) actually resists Chrome’s monopoly and might not (yet) experience the effects of Chrome IE-ification.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by handsclean »

asddubs wrote: post #7

Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE? Answer: They both are like IE, for different reasons: Chrome: Pushes proprietary extensions onto the web, which due to their absolute dominance others are somewhat forced to adopt, people develop for it and don't test in any other browser, just like IE Safari: is coupled to operating sys…

I’d love to see these comments about Safari lagging give specific examples. Every time I’ve seen specifics, it’s either only interesting to progressive web apps, or blatantly user hostile tracking/nagging “features”. In my personal experience as a web dev, Safari is often the first to implement new features, and otherwise lags literally just a few months behind, according to their release cycle. WEBP was the exception that was both a real feature and very delayed, but now with JPEG XL it’s Safari first by a mile and Chrome holding everyone back.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by fingerlocks »

hu3 wrote: post #66
fingerlocks wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your own link says it’s supported on Safari for iOS, for years now. It’s obviously not supported on MacOS because that attribute only applies to onscreen keyboards.

What makes you think onscreen keyboards are not useful in macOS if at least for accessibility reasons?

The browser feature under discussion is clearly intended for small screen mobile devices.

Accessibility keyboards are just keyboards from the web page’s perspective

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by benchloftbrunch »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #56

Chromium is, not Chrome And that's not a bad thing - open source - portable - crossplatform - efficient - always up to date

It's a bad thing because Google's monopoly gives them enormous power to influence browser standards, while also having conflicts of interest re: their advertising business.

See for example their recent war against ad blocker extensions.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by saghm »

theshrike79 wrote: post #65
drewcoo wrote: post #58

I just bought a new computer and was curious, so I thought I'd try Windows first, and . . . No. Chrome is not the new IE. I am constantly pushed to use Edge for everything, to "make it better" for myself. It's actually sorta creepy . . .

You do know that Edge is Chromium repackaged, like all other browsers except Safari and Firefox?

So then why does Microsoft try to push it so hard on users who are trying to use Chrome? It's hard to believe they're just trying to save everyone the minimal time and effort that's being spent installing a different browser by randomly deciding to force a full-screen ad on an OS update. At absolute best, it's benign but worth not using simply to avoid rewarding whatever misguided incentives lead to them to "market" it like this.

https://www.techradar.com/news/sorry-microsoft-not-even-a-fu...

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by hu3 »

fingerlocks wrote: post #75
hu3 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think onscreen keyboards are not useful in macOS if at least for accessibility reasons?

The browser feature under discussion is clearly intended for small screen mobile devices. Accessibility keyboards are just keyboards from the web page’s perspective

It's clearly NOT intended only for small screen mobile devices.

There's no reason to restrict suggesting input types to mobile browsers only.

That's exactly why desktop Chrome and Firefox has support it for a long time now.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

ksec wrote: post #60

I remember this blog. Magic Lasso Adblock is Apple ecosystem only. Its view on pretty much everything is basically Daring Fireball. >tends to be misunderstood to mean that Chrome is like Internet Explorer was in 2009 >Despite being the market share leader, there is significant evidence that Chrome is trailing in speed, efficiency and standards interoperability. >Perhaps the browser with the most disruptive potential…

> Meanwhile Firefox being the fastest browser in terms of least janks and best for hundreds of tabs gets No recognition either.

This is likely subjective. Out of the browsers I use regularly, Firefox is by far the one with the greatest number of rough edges as well as the least likely to see those rough edges polished.

To some degree this is inevitable with the difference in amount of resources at Mozilla’s disposal relative to those of Google and Apple, but there’s a lot of low-hanging fruit. In a relatively short time many of these issues have been improved by a small team in the Zen Browser fork of Firefox, which suggests it’s more of a lack of will than it is lack of resources.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by nolist_policy »

threeseed wrote: post #45
est wrote: post #2

The only problem with Chrome: It's controlled by an advertising company.

And you see evidence of this influence throughout Chrome. For example, Apple simply blocked third party cookies which are almost exclusively used for tracking. Chrome waited years until they could add their Advertising Sandbox feature first.

Google's competitors in the advertisement space are all lined up to sue Google into oblivion the moment they disable third-party cookies.
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