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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by doctorpangloss »

bunderbunder wrote: post #50

I'd love to see some sort of multiple regression or ANOVA on this, instead of singling out a single variable. Is car brand really the best independent predictor? Or is it specific design decisions you tend to see in certain brands? (Like, say, maximizing driver distraction by consolidating a bunch of essential controls and information displays into a touchscreen display that's really difficult to operate when it's su…

It's an interesting perspective. I was recently shopping for shoes, and a fully closed shoe had more places where it could break compared to my flip flops. That's why whenever you are doing a dangerous activity, flip flops are recommended.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by mandymoorefan »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #61
akira2501 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and loaded with features "Ludicrous mode." > the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. It's actually alcohol and drugs. Which is the reason those drivers find themselves in the trees.

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North Carolina next question.

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Post by nomel »

afavour wrote: post #41
heywire wrote: post #19

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I would wager that most people don’t want to use public transit regularly. I know I certainly don’t.

I think a lot of people would be happy to use it if it was convenient and reliable. I live in NYC and haven’t had to drive to/from work in over a decade. I consider the subway ride a vast, vast improvement over driving… but only when the subway works right.

The vast majority of people I talk to, including myself, don't use public transportation for:

1. Time. For example, my commute is 25 minutes, but 2 hours ride and three mile walk by public transport.

2. Safety, intimately tied to the homeless problem.

3. Cleanliness. In my experience, related to #2, and the fact that government institutions are incapable of caring about user experience, because they get funding regardless. Matted, stained fabric seat cushions, and dried whatever caked on the floor.

There's nothing better or remotely alluring about public transportation for the vast majority of people (as shown by gridlock traffic).

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Post by Kiro »

akira2501 wrote: post #55
peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

> every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. You don't do much towing, do you?

99.9% of drivers will never tow anything in their life.

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Post by [deleted] »

Lendal wrote: post #16
robterrell wrote: post #7

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> analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) Maybe not for the "reasonable person" but government data is available and if you are here you likely know some statistics, so go nuts: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-report...

Now Elon will possibly in charge of making that government database disappear.

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Post by foobazgt »

thejazzman wrote: post #11
grecy wrote: post #4

How can any reasonable person know if any story about Tesla (good or bad) is actually factual and useful, or is just a story told from a particular angle to manipulate the stock price for gain? While many says it's the ultimate meme stock, I also can't help thinking it's the ultimate manipulation stock - it seems some people desperately want it to go down while others desperately want it to go up.

I've had one since 2015 and so many issues. When I share them on Reddit I'm downvoted into oblivion for going against the cult It's gotten better in the last few years, now that millions of people share the issues, it's harder to drown them out Doesn't seem to matter whatsoever for their stock, so that doesn't seems to be too relevant

Some context for others - 2015 is fairly early in Tesla's history. The model 3 didn't even exist until 2017. The overwhelming majority of Teslas on the road today are Y's and 3's.

FWIW, I've personally owned three Teslas with zero problems, but none older than 2019. YMMV.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

phony-account wrote: post #58
TrainedMonkey wrote: post #44

> The study was conducted on model year 2018–2022 vehicles, and focused on crashes between 2017 and 2022 that resulted in occupant fatalities. Teslas can go fast real fast, so naively this is the result I would expect given how they have filtered the data. In other words, unless they controlled for this, this would be biased by natural selection playing out. Having said that, as someone who had a couple of close call…

> Teslas can go fast real fast, so naively this is the result I would expect given how they have filtered the data. In other words, unless they controlled for this… Explain to me why you would want to filter out fatalities caused by going “real fast”?

If a bunch of lunatics buy the car because it is fast, and kill themselves, that doesn't necessarily affect my safety in the car if I'm buying it for some other feature and don't intend to drive it dangerously.

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Post by snakeyjake »

afavour wrote: post #41
heywire wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would wager that most people don’t want to use public transit regularly. I know I certainly don’t.

I think a lot of people would be happy to use it if it was convenient and reliable. I live in NYC and haven’t had to drive to/from work in over a decade. I consider the subway ride a vast, vast improvement over driving… but only when the subway works right.

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Post by rich_sasha »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #61
akira2501 wrote: post #48

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> and loaded with features "Ludicrous mode." > the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road. It's actually alcohol and drugs. Which is the reason those drivers find themselves in the trees.

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I never understood how in America, a DUI seems to be (from films etc) a relatively minor issue. In the UK you get a prison sentence, even if you didn't cause any harm (eg we're spot-tested).
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