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Post by wizee »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #45
486sx33 wrote: post #2

Some nice nostalgia for me -In high school we walked to that exact KFC for lunch and would discuss the previous nights antics playing StarCraft broodwar. -I used to fix computers (professionally) at a store on the same street as that gas station as an after high school job -In Dec/jan 2010 I worked 18 hours a day laying floors in the new RIM buildings at Philip/Colombia. A friend’s dad did a lot of the furniture movi…

>-Waterloo has seen serious decline since the death of RIM >-Not sure it will ever come back, most people including myself left years ago. I think you overestimate Waterloo's decline just a tad, perhaps your perception being coloured by leaving it. I assure you, it's thriving and in many ways better than the early 2000s when I went to UW. Including the condo boom you mention, though I'm puzzled why you think this som…

Agreed 100%. Waterloo has grown substantially over the last 15 years, and is generally thriving. The condo boom and general increase in density has only increased walkability. Most of these condos have ground level retail too. The light rail is also a nice addition.

As RIM/Blackberry declined, a whole ecosystem of startups emerged started or staffed by ex-RIM folks. The universities have also grown substantially.

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Post by GJim »

SoftTalker wrote: post #53
bregma wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's people quoting text, not threads of messages. The ability to semantically parse text to determine what order paragraphs should be displayed in to suit the tastes of the individual reader is a very recent development. Or, rather, will be soon. Maybe not very soon.

Quoting the prior message(s) should be off by default. When paper letters were still written, did you enclose a copy of the original letter when you answered it? No. And nobody looks at the growing trail of the entire message thread that's copied below your reply. Just leave the subject line intact and anyone that doesn't have a brain-dead email client will see the messages threaded properly. If you need to address a…

> When paper letters were still written, did you enclose a copy of the original letter when you answered it?

The point of bottom posting was you never left the original text intact, but trimmed it to show the relevant details you are replying to and so enhance readability. Exactly as I am doing now in this reply.

> If you need to address a specific point in a message you're replying to, quote just that bit.

Precisely. Just like this. We are on the same page!

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Post by p_l »

GJim wrote: post #69
gknoy wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You jest, but I've noticed that the conventions of "newest on top" vs "newest on bottom" is _seriously confusing_ for some people that I help navigate tech stuff. I don't know how to describe the heuristic for: - New text conversations show at the _top_ of the list of conversations - New messages are at the _bottome_ of a conversation - New emails are at the _top_ of your email client (?) - and now you remind me that…

No. Bottom posting replies was the default in all early email and USENET clients..... Then MS Outlook came along, which was the first email client to break convention and default to top posting (i.e. putting the cursor at the top when replying to a message). Thence forth, "office" users began top posting, and the confusion began. To this day, the old guard (like me) bottom posts and always trims the above quoted text…

A significant part of weirdness involving outlook/exchange is that it is not an SMTP-based email client

Even though X.400 is no longer officially feature of Exchange, the entire data model of MAPI is based on it, shared between Outlook and Exchange, with somewhat lossy translation when it has to go outside of X.400-over-RPC that MAPI provides.

Sometimes you can get burned by vestigial parts of the model, like how MS MAPI implementation as provided by Outlook/Exchange (there used to be others!) does not actually support HTML email, and crashes with corrupted message errors if given an email object containing a HTML body.

Now I can hear you going "but Outlook does HTML email!".

Outlook converts HTML email body part into RTF-wrapped HTML and stores the resulting message in RTF body field of message object. In fact, before Outlook got changed to convert RTF to HTML, Outlook users were infamous for sending RTF formatted emails (at least RTF was always documented, as it was supposed to be interchange format).

But MAPI messages do also contain a HTML message body field... But if you put HTML there, MAPI.DLL explodes - or at least did every time I did it.

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Post by tempest_ »

marssaxman wrote: post #65
cloudedcordial wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was in the area around 2010 working for someone else. Adding to your bullet points: - The pool business near the single-digit RIM buildings had more business than they could do. Many folks wanted swimming pools at their homes. - Various eateries such as the sandwich shop mentioned in the article made decent money during the height of Blackberry. - People skipped starter homes and bought single houses as their first…

> People skipped starter homes and bought single houses as their first homes. This is a terminological distinction I am not familiar with; what is a "single house", and what is the difference between a starter home and a first home?

They mean a single family home which might be described as a "detached house"

In the GTHA (including Waterloo) there is no such thing as a starter home any more, which in the past meant "small detached house, probably needs some work". The only thing they build now is very small 500 sqft condos and very large 3000+ sqft houses.

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Post by 486sx33 »

toast0 wrote: post #27
nazcan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Density has hurt walkability?

A dense housing boom could hurt walkability if it replaced mixed low density retail and housing and if there was no compensating retail boom near housing. First floor mixed use retail can address this, but sometimes those spots sit vacant because of cost or other issues with rhe space.

I guess my definition of walk ability includes seeing interesting things and being able to walk towards them. The condo towers block the sun and you can’t see beyond them walking down the road.

My post was a bit too negative I suppose, some people probably like the tall buildings surrounding you when you’re walking, I mean it works for New York City right.

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Post by 486sx33 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #10
486sx33 wrote: post #2

Some nice nostalgia for me -In high school we walked to that exact KFC for lunch and would discuss the previous nights antics playing StarCraft broodwar. -I used to fix computers (professionally) at a store on the same street as that gas station as an after high school job -In Dec/jan 2010 I worked 18 hours a day laying floors in the new RIM buildings at Philip/Colombia. A friend’s dad did a lot of the furniture movi…

Did you go to WCI too? This is all so nostalgic for me. Though I grew up in Waterloo and lived at home, yeah, the city sure has grown a ton. I moved away to raise a family.

Yes. Grade 9 in 99 :)

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Post by Waterluvian »

486sx33 wrote: post #76
Waterluvian wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you go to WCI too? This is all so nostalgic for me. Though I grew up in Waterloo and lived at home, yeah, the city sure has grown a ton. I moved away to raise a family.

Yes. Grade 9 in 99 :)

Cool. One year behind you. So we went at the same time.

I want to say small world but after enough time it’s bound to happen, eh?

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Post by Daub »

> Blackberry at the time was kindof of an “everything goes, whatever it takes” free for all. And this damn the torpedoes full steam ahead attitude was pervasive everywhere. Red tape and beuaracracy was loathed by everyone.

Ironic as RIM became known for its cripplingly dense beuaracracy and red tape.

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