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The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by JohnFen »

philosopher123 wrote: post #23
rokkamokka wrote: post #2

A good read. I was a bit saddened while reading the election thread earlier here on HN - there were more authoritarian voices here than I would've hoped.

Authoritarianism isn't when your opinions don't align with others. Authoritarianism is the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom. I think we are moving away from this kind of Authoritarianism, and embracing the freedom of diversified opinions.

> I think we are moving away from this kind of Authoritarianism, and embracing the freedom of diversified opinions.

I think the exact opposite.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by [deleted] »

brightball wrote: post #10
rokkamokka wrote: post #2

A good read. I was a bit saddened while reading the election thread earlier here on HN - there were more authoritarian voices here than I would've hoped.

Any examples? Most of the voices I saw were people who wanted to the government to leave them alone.

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Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by krapp »

JohnFen wrote: post #70
honkycat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realized HN was lost during a thread about having to provide identification to access adult websites. There we SO many voices in favor. I was shocked. Hackers historically cared a TON about their privacy, yet they were willing to throw it away for the sake of "the children." Ignoring that there is a huge suite of tools that would allow you to protect children WITHOUT having to register with the government and be tr…

HN is not largely populated by hackers. It's populated mostly by people working for SV-type companies.

People forget - or never realize, if they're new - that the "Hacker" in "Hacker News" refers to startup entrepreneurs "hacking" capitalism. This place used to be called "Startup News," after all.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by JohnFen »

_zagj wrote: post #39

Because progressives refuse to make any concessions, even reasonable ones. The border is perhaps the best example. They won't simply concede to having a secure border, with or without comprehensive immigration reform (i.e., amnesty). Meanwhile, the American people see stuff like this, and rightly get angered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7TNP2OTY2g These are people flying commercial from another continent, and co…

> They won't simply concede to having a secure border, with or without comprehensive immigration reform

This simply isn't true at all.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by mmooss »

skhunted wrote: post #68
mmooss wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but that seems more a clever side-effect than a real policy?

Outcomes are more important than "real policy".

Real policy is about real outcomes; this idea, while interesting to talk about, fails on outcomes.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by hulitu »

CalRobert wrote: post #6
veidelis wrote: post #5

The article mentions "immigration due to climate" - could someone give an examples of such occurrences?

Crop failures in Syria contributed to their civil war which led to a migration crisis in Europe. Subsistence farmers in Central America can’t grow in a drought and often try to emigrate to US I left California because it will look like baja in due time.

> Crop failures in Syria contributed to their civil war

I'm sure the US tanks are there to plow the fields, not to guard oil fields. /s

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by skhunted »

mmooss wrote: post #75
skhunted wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outcomes are more important than "real policy".

Real policy is about real outcomes; this idea, while interesting to talk about, fails on outcomes.

Hasn’t been implemented so how do you know the outcomes won’t be there? Real policy as you call often times fails to have intended outcome or has lots of unintended consequences.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by raxxorraxor »

skhunted wrote: post #25
honkycat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realized HN was lost during a thread about having to provide identification to access adult websites. There we SO many voices in favor. I was shocked. Hackers historically cared a TON about their privacy, yet they were willing to throw it away for the sake of "the children." Ignoring that there is a huge suite of tools that would allow you to protect children WITHOUT having to register with the government and be tr…

I’m very liberal and very much opposed to authoritarianism. I don’t see the problem with forcing online content to be different than offline content. You gotta show ID or otherwise prove age to buy alcohol and pornography offline. Why not for online as well?

If you really want to buy pornography on the internet as a minor, you will have difficulties doing the transactions.

Aside from that you haven't thought about the implications of an ID system in the current political climate. Some advocates even state their real goals openly.

I don't think you are very liberal here for that matter. It is just a single issue, but it strongly correlates with positions around this particular topic.

Re: The Reasons Authoritarianism Is Growing – and How to Reverse It

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Post by raxxorraxor »

skhunted wrote: post #54
JohnFen wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because when you show ID to buy age-restricted things in person, nobody is keeping a record of anything. A clerk looks at your ID and that's the end of it. Online is a completely different beast on that count.

I don’t think this is a compelling argument for keeping things as they currently stand.

Could you elaborate further on the problem you see?

I don't see a problem with "things as they currently stand".

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