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Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by protomolecule »

oytis wrote: post #67
protomolecule wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lowest unemployment ever, some redistribution of wealth in favor of workers in the military industry and soldiers.

That's the immediate result. But what about later, when the war is over? Military expense is non-productive, economically it's the same as just giving people money for free while they are sitting on the couch (nobody is killed in the latter case though). Military overspending literally killed Soviet Union, and people returning from Afghanistan war made guaranteed the unforgettable social climate after that. I don't s…

Yes, Russian economy will crash after the war, just like American after the end of WW2.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by throw-the-towel »

protomolecule wrote: post #56
aix1 wrote: post #54

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I assume when you say "politically" you include the ongoing war in Ukraine. I think it's a huge factor in this context, given its impact and the risks it presents to folks (especially young men) who choose to remain in Russia. By some estimates, 900K people have left Russia since the invasion [1], of whom 100K were IT specialists leaving in 2022 alone [2] (I haven't looked at the figures since then). I think that's a…

In Russia programmers working at accredited IT-companies are safe from mobilization [0] > I think that's a pretty strong indication of the sentiment. Some left following their western employers, some fled from the mobilization in 2022. >And wrt the economy, didn't the Central Bank just increase the benchmark rate to 21% It did, that's why I said 'mostly'. Kremlin is pumping money into defense industry and into paymen…

I'm Russian, I used to be a programmer at an accredited company, and I still wouldn't be safe from the draft because I have no university education. (For me personally this is a moot point because I left Russia, but still.)

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by throw-the-towel »

oytis wrote: post #67
protomolecule wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lowest unemployment ever, some redistribution of wealth in favor of workers in the military industry and soldiers.

That's the immediate result. But what about later, when the war is over? Military expense is non-productive, economically it's the same as just giving people money for free while they are sitting on the couch (nobody is killed in the latter case though). Military overspending literally killed Soviet Union, and people returning from Afghanistan war made guaranteed the unforgettable social climate after that. I don't s…

To give a bit more context to protomolecule's replies: back in 2022 every analyst was predicting total collapse of the Russian economy within a year or thereabouts. This didn't happen. So, we now tend not to believe the doomsayers at all. (And I'm not saying we're right! Just trying to explain the biases in play right now.)

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by riehwvfbk »

aguaviva wrote: post #68
selivanovp wrote: post #64

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Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war sta…

The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory. It seems you may not appreciate the e…

You are very sure that your sources aren't lying to you. If you are interested in going down a rabbit hole, here's a good starting point.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-progr...

The year is 1997, but the conflict started much earlier than that, during the fall of the Soviet Union.

For all the brainwashed and self-righteous: feel free to hit the downvote button. I won't respond to stupid questions along the lines of "how is this relevant", "whataboutism", and so on. You can read.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by riehwvfbk »

9dev wrote: post #69
selivanovp wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is not imperialistic, Russia was fine with Ukraine as a sovereign state. More of it, due to current geopolitical shift, Russia is even more interested in Ukraine being a sovereign state, a buffer between Russia and NATO. The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war sta…

Most of what you’ve written is just plain wrong, but I’m not responsible for clearing up the propaganda. Let me just say this: No political fear of any foreign influence on a bordering country ever justifies invading this country, killing its citizens, and destroying its infrastructure. No matter how you try to frame it, Russia committed crimes in Ukraine, which it is completely responsible for. You may try to blame…

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Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by aguaviva »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #74
aguaviva wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that USA twice messed with Ukraine sovereignty, first in 2004, and then in 2014 turned this country to a proxy, puppet state, bulwark against Russia. And that's why this war started, because Russia can not allow Ukraine to be turned into a hostile state, ideologically driven by hatred towards Russia and Russians and manipulated by NATO, with bases on its territory. It seems you may not appreciate the e…

You are very sure that your sources aren't lying to you. If you are interested in going down a rabbit hole, here's a good starting point. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nato-75-russia-progr... The year is 1997, but the conflict started much earlier than that, during the fall of the Soviet Union. For all the brainwashed and self-righteous: feel free to hit the downvote button. I won't respond to stupid questi…

Oh I'm quite certain that many of them are. But I appreciate the thought.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

protomolecule wrote: post #71
oytis wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the immediate result. But what about later, when the war is over? Military expense is non-productive, economically it's the same as just giving people money for free while they are sitting on the couch (nobody is killed in the latter case though). Military overspending literally killed Soviet Union, and people returning from Afghanistan war made guaranteed the unforgettable social climate after that. I don't s…

Yes, Russian economy will crash after the war, just like American after the end of WW2.

Why this comparison instead of USSR and Afghanistan?

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by AlexeyBelov »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #29
FpUser wrote: post #24

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Maybe learn to be civil Joe.

Hey, it's OK, I'm just a bot after all.

Are you not? Relatively fresh account that's obviously not "real" (a throwaway), and also discussing Russia in a positive light pretty frequently of all the topics on this site.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by wojciii »

pkd wrote: post #34
danielodievich wrote: post #25

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Nobody will go back. One of more interesting experiences from early 2000s in Microsoft was when Microsoft Russia finally crossed 1B in revenue by finally having Gazprom/Sberbank buy all the sh*t that they were pirating before. By doing so, the country was eligible to do the yearly business review in person, instead of over whatever passed for Zoom back then, I don't remember anymore. Olga D...can't remember her last…

I know somebody who relocated his entire family after 20+ years in the U.S and is loving it. People are not as monolithic as we are likely to believe sometimes.

I would really love to know more.

You know .. those bastard Ukrainians are trying to make us think that everything sucks in Russia because of the war.

But I guess that it doesn't matter much if you have money and connections.

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