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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by linux2647 »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #58
mmastrac wrote: post #10

If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.

I’ve never felt memory limited on my 16gb macbook pro, on which I code, run rust-analyzer (major memory hog), video edit, etc. Most people definitely don’t need 32GB

I’ve definitely been memory limited on a 32GB MacBook Pro. Though it’s probably due to Docker, Slack, multiple IDEs, and dozens and dozens of browser tabs all open at the same time. Consider me part of the exception.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

> The iMac also features a new 12MP Center Stage camera with Desk View

(from the marketing page)

wait so this thing has the universally reviled Studio Display camera??

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by perihelions »

mmastrac wrote: post #10

If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.

Presumably, their career economists found that this "weird" pricing scheme is actually optimal—that selling tiny RAM upgrades for $200 or $400 is empirically, measurably an effective way to sort their consumers by purchasing power, and optimally drain their wallets.

It goes by many names, the "microeconomic pricing strategy where identical or largely similar goods or services are sold at different prices by the same provider to different buyers based on which market segment they are perceived to be part of",

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by stevenAthompson »

Do they sell matching monitors to go with these all in one style iMac's?

I'm not really an Apple person, but I can't imagine having a single monitor in this day and age and any other color would look silly next to a weird pastel pink device.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by seanw444 »

bearjaws wrote: post #60
Hamuko wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

32 GB seems plenty for me for the target audience. The iMac is aimed at a rather casual computer user, especially now that they nixed the larger screen size one.

I agree, I run 32gb on a dev Macbook pro and it's enough, even our largest app is around 20k files and the language server uses 5gb of ram. I often sit around 22-24gb of usage with Docker running. For most people 32gb is not going to hold them back.

Wow. And I thought several hundred MiB for my langservers was absurd.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by jfoster »

I could never justify getting an iMac. All the downsides of a laptop & desktop in one; not upgradeable and not portable. Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell. A Mac Mini with a separate screen feels like it makes far more sense.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by randmeerkat »

jsheard wrote: post #47
stu2b50 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ram is on the package for more than portability. It’s necessary for fast enough transfer speeds for the iGPU.

Then again, the rest of the industry has figured out a way to make slottable RAM almost as fast and compact as soldered RAM with the new CAMM2/LPCAMM2 standards. The M4 has LPDDR5X-7500 120GB/sec memory and there are already LPCAMM2-7500 120GB/sec modules, with even faster ones on the way: https://www.anandtech.com/show/21390/micron-ships-crucialbra... Two of those modules working in parallel would hit "M Pro" speeds…

> Then again, the rest of the industry has figured out a way to make slottable RAM almost as fast and compact as soldered RAM…

Just be patient, the EU will take a large stick and force Apple to allow users to replace their RAM soon too.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mmastrac »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #58
mmastrac wrote: post #10

If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.

I’ve never felt memory limited on my 16gb macbook pro, on which I code, run rust-analyzer (major memory hog), video edit, etc. Most people definitely don’t need 32GB

The problem is the insane markups, but my anecdata is the opposite of yours.

I'm also doing Rust dev, but I can't work with less than ~24GB.

On my headless rackmount dev box that I use for my remote development environment, the box sits around 17GB of memory in use + 8GB of cache. I've got an M3 with 36GB running a few Visual Studios Code (plus browser/Docker/Dropbox) with about 30GB used (8GB of that is cache).

16GB would not have been enough for me for my work at Deno. My current job involves both Rust and Python work and I'd quickly hit the limits of 16GB if I'm running my code while developing it, let alone running a browser or keeping my email client open.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by Joeri »

thibaut_barrere wrote: post #19
bearjaws wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

27" is really the best screen size for productivity. Easily can find 1440p or 4k 27" monitors to pair, and they have come down a lot in price.

So far the screens I've tested are more tiring to my eyes (I work both on a M1 13" with external screens, and on a legacy 27" iMac). What are the best 27" screens for coding comfort that work well with Macs these days?

I haven’t tried it myself but if you really want that 5K 27 inch form factor samsung’s viewfinity s9 is exactly that. Or apple’s studio display ofcourse.
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