That's simply amazing: we fight with disposable plastic straws but we had no problem with single use electronics and battery. Insane.
What are straws for anyway?
Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are the batteries any good? What do they have in them? 1100 mAh LiPo?
The cells themselves are pretty good - pretty much only every come across Lipo's even in "non-rechargeable" disposables. mAh basically depends on the size of the vape / the puff count, but yeah I normally find them to br between 500 and 1500 mAh (give or take).
I figured any disposable vape would have its batteries glued in. How straightforward a task is it to remove the battery? What do the batteries generally look like?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, same. I'm all up for a "free country", and all that. But this was just absurd. I wonder if 30+ years don't the line, if maybe resources are scarcer, we'll think about these and say: "we were fucking crazy"
The UK isn't a 'free country' in the way American's use the term. It took me a few years of living in America to understand the nuance. I think the 'freedoms' Americans have raises it's own problems for society (eg guns) and there isn't a right or wrong, just different. The joke I always like to make is that in the US everything is legal unless the government legislates to say you can't, in Europe everything is illeg…
> in Europe everything is illegal unless the government legislates to say you can.
That doesn't seem accurate. I'm guessing you haven't lived in a country where that's much closer to reality?
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#75I’m a UK vaper (former smoker) and while I’m sure I’m going to find this annoying (disposables are helpful in a pinch when your proper vape has run out of battery or liquid), it’s clearly the right thing to do. The e-waste involved in that sub-industry must be absolutely horrifying. Tens of millions of tiny little batteries, surrounded in plastic, lingering quantities of nicotine-rich liquids… Glad this is happening.…
Would it make more sense to properly tax those negative externalities instead of having some authority just picking one use case as "bad"?
How would an additional tax address this? Paying more would hardly reduce usage, and definitely won't incentivize users to dispose of vape pens more responsibly.
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#76They could have played with incentives and monetary returns on used devices, same we do with deposits for empty cans or bottles and let the manufactures deal with all the waste/recycling. These disposable devices are clearly an environment problem. Where I am, NY, I've seen thrown all over the place and at first I had no idea what they were. I picked up one thinking it was some kind of device someone lost. I did the…
It would probably cost more to recycle them; they are not like aluminum cans or glass bottles that can be easily recycled into raw materials.
I don't think that prevents a programme to encourage responsible disposal. A $5 deposit on these vapes would get people to return them, and they could be recycled en masse even if it does cost more.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a huge difference between restricting people's right to defend themselves and their right to purchase shitty single use electronics that slowly kill them
You mean, people's right to attack other people.
Are you trying to control outlaws with laws? Good luck.
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#78If they're anything like the US, even though sales to children are banned, kids still get their hands on it. I have a family member who works directly with children and they constantly find kids vaping in the restrooms. At some point adults are distributing vapes to children despite the legality. If the most modulatable link in the supply chain is sales to adults who then distribute to children, that's unfortunately…
At least here, kids vaping is basically normal and it's really bad
Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales
#79If they're anything like the US, even though sales to children are banned, kids still get their hands on it. I have a family member who works directly with children and they constantly find kids vaping in the restrooms. At some point adults are distributing vapes to children despite the legality. If the most modulatable link in the supply chain is sales to adults who then distribute to children, that's unfortunately…
When I was a kid, there was a black market for trading cards, candy, cigarettes, and blunts in school. Schools are a lot like prisons, where the poorer kids needed a hustle to eat. Some kids were making tons of money selling to other kids in school. Mostly legal stuff, but some illegal. Usually they had an older brother to supply them with stuff they couldn't get on their own.
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#80I’m a UK vaper (former smoker) and while I’m sure I’m going to find this annoying (disposables are helpful in a pinch when your proper vape has run out of battery or liquid), it’s clearly the right thing to do. The e-waste involved in that sub-industry must be absolutely horrifying. Tens of millions of tiny little batteries, surrounded in plastic, lingering quantities of nicotine-rich liquids… Glad this is happening.…
Would it make more sense to properly tax those negative externalities instead of having some authority just picking one use case as "bad"?
I think so but the practical issues are:
Tax is one big pool of money and I doubt the money will be used to fix the issues created.
A similar idea, carbon taxes and carbon credits trading seemed politically dead at least in my country even though it is a fantastic idea.
Edit: what might work is a 5-10 British pound ransom, released on return of the disposible to a recycling centre. Give the used devices free to a reclaiming merchant that operates out of the same country.