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Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by LaundroMat »

ruthmarx wrote: post #36
LaundroMat wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also a question of IP valuation. Media companies have IP as an asset on their books. Battling piracy is a means to defend the valuation they attach to that IP.

It's wasted money though. They're literally just losing more money on whatever money they think they lost due to piracy.

Well, maybe.

You can maintain or increase the value of your IP (and therefore tour company) by _showing_ you're investing in the protection of your IP.

After all, the value of IP in your books is subjective. That perceived value increases if you can report you've "removed thousands of links to pirate versions of our content". So in that regard, battling piracy is money well spent.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by 7bit »

izacus wrote: post #43
johnklos wrote: post #7

Companies like Google and Cloudflare just really don't care that they host malicious content and have stopped taking meaningful action to take down reported content. That they'd be blocked at some point is completely unsurprising. As it is, I have to explain to people regularly that clicking on "sponsored" links, or whatever Google calls them, doesn't work because we have to block "googleadservices.com" due to their…

Why do some of you so badly, sickly want companies like Google to be the police and block your content on their whim? This site is full of proof they're biased and incompetent, why are you so prepared to give them rights that belong to governments?

If you host a house party, and you invite a guy that sells meth. And someone tells you that one of your guests overdosed in the bathroom and died. Then you let the guest sell more meth, although it was reported to you.

Demanding you throw out the meth seller has absolutely nothing to do with "giving them rights that belong to governments". It's your right of house rules to throw him out. And it's your responsibility as the party host.

But who am I telling this... A Freedom-troll will never understand...

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by ben_w »

ruthmarx wrote: post #42
ben_w wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only people using those are people too scared or lacking in knowledge of how to download. That's most people. Also, most laws aren't perfectly enforced; part of the reason for disproportionately high penalties is to create that fear.

Well, there's a lot of opinion on the subject but personally I'm er much against disproportionately high penalties as a deterrent because it's comes at the cost of justice to the individual. That aside though, there isn't any chance of stopping piracy with the way the current internet is. SO all they do is spend disproportionate amounts of money, i.e. throw that money down the drain, just to take down a website here…

> personally I'm er much against disproportionately high penalties as a deterrent because it's comes at the cost of justice to the individual.

Likewise.

I think that as we've already developed the technological capacity for mere organised crime to build a surveillance system that would make the actual literal Stasi jealous, it's important for the legal system to catch up, and move to the combination (because neither would work in isolation) of (1) penalties that are much much smaller and directly match the offence with (2) so much surveillance that basically everything is caught.

Now, is there a way for this to avoid falling into a horrific dystopian nightmare? Because it's one thing for an internet pirate getting an illicit copy of one episode of Space 1999 getting dinged for $0.99, and quite another if the same capabilities are used to interfere with or supress political opponents a-la the Watergate scandal.

> That isn't deterring anything, not remotely, so it just seems like revenge

I know what you mean, I think that's also part of it, and that kind of attitude in parts of the legal system also interfere with the thing I've just suggested.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by lormayna »

dylan604 wrote: post #64
lormayna wrote: post #23

The problem exists in Italy: criminal organizations sell a box (called "pezzotto") that connect to illegal streams (mainly sport events). But the law to block it was written in a very terrible way and this tool is even worst.

Pezzotto sounds like it would pair well with a nice chianti.

If you are Italian, you can easily associate the "pezzotto" sound with the dialect of Napoli area. Chianti come from Toscana.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by appplication »

ruthmarx wrote: post #28
jazzyjackson wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pirates lost, I know one other person besides me that collects movies to watch offline outside of subscription services. The legal actions against free streaming sites prevents any serious competitor to Netflix, Disney-Hulu etc, which are hugely valuable properties.

The pirates remain triumphant and unshakeable. Why? Because you can go to any number of torrent sites you want right now and download anything you want, and as long as it's not too obscure it will probably not take more than 10 or 2 minutes. Trying to shut down piracy is playing whack-a-mole with one hammer, 10,000 moles and 100,000,000 holes. > The legal actions against free streaming sites The only people using tho…

I used to pirate years ago, and have tried pirating again recently and I find it too difficult to get into any of the private communities (some of which require you to pay?). There’s some stuff outside of those communities but the quality and consistency of content is quite poor and it seems to be constantly getting taken down, and finding torrents with search engines isn’t as effective anymore.

Sometimes it does feel like the pirates did lose. At the very least it seems almost impossible to casually pirate something like you used to in the late 2000s. Now it feels like you don’t have a homelab setup with plex/jellyfin/arr/arr/arr and a network of private trackers and god knows what else the. You’re not really going to be able to find much.

It feels like piracy morphed from being like stealing a pack of gum at a gas station to being more of a time and equipment intensive hobby.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by slim »

poincaredisk wrote: post #54
slim wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that the west has no moral superiority over china

There is a vast difference between "oppressing people who dare to mention a certain historical event that the party doesn't like" and "blocking some malware or illegal downloads on the DNS level". I hope you're not being serious when you're equating them.

you sure the west is not doing that "oppressing people who dare to mention a certain historical event that the party doesn't like" bit ? think again

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by johnklos »

SkiFire13 wrote: post #53
johnklos wrote: post #7

Companies like Google and Cloudflare just really don't care that they host malicious content and have stopped taking meaningful action to take down reported content. That they'd be blocked at some point is completely unsurprising. As it is, I have to explain to people regularly that clicking on "sponsored" links, or whatever Google calls them, doesn't work because we have to block "googleadservices.com" due to their…

I could see your point if the block was after a takedown request and Google did not comply, but this didn't happen. "Piracy Shield" doesn not send out takedown notices, _it just blocks IPs_ reported by a set of _private companies_.

Do you have a source about "Piracy Shield"?

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Post by johnklos »

izacus wrote: post #43
johnklos wrote: post #7

Companies like Google and Cloudflare just really don't care that they host malicious content and have stopped taking meaningful action to take down reported content. That they'd be blocked at some point is completely unsurprising. As it is, I have to explain to people regularly that clicking on "sponsored" links, or whatever Google calls them, doesn't work because we have to block "googleadservices.com" due to their…

Why do some of you so badly, sickly want companies like Google to be the police and block your content on their whim? This site is full of proof they're biased and incompetent, why are you so prepared to give them rights that belong to governments?

> rights that belong to governments

It's not that at all. If you report phishing / malicious content to them, you have a right to expect them to take action in a reasonable amount of time - not weeks, and certainly not never. This isn't a "right", this is a reasonable way to work on the Internet that's worked since the '80s.

Do they have a "right" to just ignore abuse complaints and host whatever they want, even if it's illegal, malicious or that violates someone's copyright, and to ignore all requests to take appropriate action?

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