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Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by PolieBotics »

modeless wrote: post #15

I get that this solution is distasteful. But verifying humanity on the Internet is a real problem that is getting harder and more important very quickly. CAPTCHAs aren't going to work much longer. What is a solution that people can live with?

A real solution is to create privacy-preserving proofs regarding the state of a timestamped cryptographic feedback loop in projector-camera systems.

It's trivial to add incoming image hashes and timestamps to a Merkle tree and to derive the output hashes of projector emissions as they come, while providing an output hash to one's interlocutor (or BFT network) periodically. This proves the beginning time, end time, and sequentiality of all emissions.

Correspondence between emissions and recordings is proven by training autoencoders on concatenated projection images and returned camera images. These autoencoders are transformed using privacy preservation techniques.

Thus, human relationships and trust can be modeled and secured.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by drdeca »

Centigonal wrote: post #30

Someone is gonna reverse engineer their orb and add a couple thousand fake people with fake biometrics to the database - or just pay people to borrow their WorldID.

I feel like the former could probably be avoided if they use an ORWL-PC-like thing to ensure that an on-device generated private key can’t be extracted, and use some kind of like, video recording from multiple cameras to demonstrate that the construction of the device didn’t differ from the standard, and showing the public key it produced, and had such footage signed by trusted parties, as part of the like, certificate for the public key that the device uses?

Of course,

1) I doubt they did this

2) This still kicks the can down to “why do you trust the authorities who signed the alleged footage showing the construction of the device”. (You can kick the can further by having the cameras also have such infeasible-to-extract private keys, but encounter the same problem)

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

labster wrote: post #56
llamaimperative wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, it was very obviously going to produce landgrab dynamics. Like... it would be utterly astounding for someone not to see that from day one.

All of the banks and state regulation keep getting in the way. It’s like there’s a fence in the middle of a path — all we need to do is get rid of the fence and everything will obviously improve.

Not sure if that's earnest or satirical - remove all the regulation, and things will improve for some, but I am not optimistic they'll be ordinary people. It seems much more likely to me that wild-west financial transactions will benefit banks and not ordinary folks? I am quite fond of regulations limiting arbitrary fees, for example...

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by llamaimperative »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #73
labster wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the banks and state regulation keep getting in the way. It’s like there’s a fence in the middle of a path — all we need to do is get rid of the fence and everything will obviously improve.

Not sure if that's earnest or satirical - remove all the regulation, and things will improve for some, but I am not optimistic they'll be ordinary people. It seems much more likely to me that wild-west financial transactions will benefit banks and not ordinary folks? I am quite fond of regulations limiting arbitrary fees, for example...

I believe GP's comment is a reference of Chesterton's Fence [1] (an excellent image to load into your brain!). I think they agree with you.

[1] https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by jt2190 »

drdeca wrote: post #72
Centigonal wrote: post #30

Someone is gonna reverse engineer their orb and add a couple thousand fake people with fake biometrics to the database - or just pay people to borrow their WorldID.

I feel like the former could probably be avoided if they use an ORWL-PC-like thing to ensure that an on-device generated private key can’t be extracted, and use some kind of like, video recording from multiple cameras to demonstrate that the construction of the device didn’t differ from the standard, and showing the public key it produced, and had such footage signed by trusted parties, as part of the like, certifica…

The white paper has all the details

https://whitepaper.world.org/

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by wmf »

llamaimperative wrote: post #12
akira2501 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It soon stopped being about that I submit that it could never have actually been about that. It may have been out of the states control but it was far to technocratic and dependent on first movers so it was always going to leave behind the class of people you hoped it would most benefit. > the original spirit of Bitcoin Is effectively "you don't need permission." That's _it_. People projected quite a bit onto that.

Yep, it was very obviously going to produce landgrab dynamics. Like... it would be utterly astounding for someone not to see that from day one.

You say that, but I remember the talk in 2009-2011 being about replacing Visa, not about hodling and speculation.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by wmf »

prng2021 wrote: post #74

So this orb scans your eyes and face and stores your ID on your phone. Why wouldn’t we just use Face ID and passkeys to authenticate a human? I don’t get the value of this product.

A human can have multiple Apple accounts but (theoretically) only one World account.

Re: Worldcoin has a new Orb and is now just World

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Post by labster »

llamaimperative wrote: post #75
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if that's earnest or satirical - remove all the regulation, and things will improve for some, but I am not optimistic they'll be ordinary people. It seems much more likely to me that wild-west financial transactions will benefit banks and not ordinary folks? I am quite fond of regulations limiting arbitrary fees, for example...

I believe GP's comment is a reference of Chesterton's Fence [1] (an excellent image to load into your brain!). I think they agree with you. [1] https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/

That, and also adding that naive reformist attitudes are incredibly common. Chesterton’s fence is a cognitive tool a lot of people don’t have, or that they only manage to apply in one narrow field of expertise. “I don’t know how anyone could think X” where X is a naive position, is kind of funny, so I replied kind of funnily to remind people that the underlying principle is not obvious.
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