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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by ahoka »

galad87 wrote: post #64
handsclean wrote: post #55

The first boot after a macOS system update has long been bugged out. It launches a bunch of apps you didn’t even have open before updating, seems to be the 5-10 most recent apps you quit. Yes they were fully quit, yes I have the “resume” setting off. It also doesn’t do a resume, it launches them, i.e. tells them to create new windows, and it launches them before it finishes mounting disks, resulting in every update b…

It seems to launch all the apps you had open when you pressed the "Update" button, even if that was 30 minutes before the installation began.

Ah, that is so annoying. It actually opened stuff from yesterday once.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by fl0id »

lccerina wrote: post #52
eru wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

"MNC don't force you to pay taxes", well 30% fee on products bought, sorry "licensed", on their app stores seem like a tax to me

this. also any profit margins sure are a "tax" in that comparison. Only you don't even get a public service for it, however bad it might be. For taxes, at least some of them are used for public services.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by acdha »

eru wrote: post #31
phoe-krk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

> By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations

Is this something you know firsthand or something you think you know because a huge amount of money has gone into spreading that message for political purposes? Anyone who’s worked for or with a multi-national knows that they’re hardly as efficient as the marketing would have you believe, and anyone who’s looked at libertarian media knows that it’s almost entirely funded by rich people seeking tax & regulatory reductions, banking on you confusing their interests with your own.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by m-s-y »

f1shy wrote: post #47
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

Somewhat loosely related, but I have something similar with the iPhone browser. Where opening the browser will shortly show the last page I had open (even I carefully closed it before closing the browser). Even if it never got me into trouble, I found that annoying as s. And could potentially make problems.

FWIW, what you’re seeing is likely just the cached thumbnail that iOS creates for the app-switcher UI, not an interactive web session.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by ta1243 »

bayindirh wrote: post #16
Kbelicius wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP wrote nothing about sleep.

macOS sleeps the moment you close the lid, and wakes the moment you raise it a little. It's instantaneous, esp. ARM powered ones.

I've seen many situations where macos laptops with a closed lid continue to perform network tasks

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bayindirh »

ta1243 wrote: post #75
bayindirh wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS sleeps the moment you close the lid, and wakes the moment you raise it a little. It's instantaneous, esp. ARM powered ones.

I've seen many situations where macos laptops with a closed lid continue to perform network tasks

That's PowerNap. Depending on your settings, your Mac wakes up briefly to check e-mails, updates and sleeps again. Normally it happens only during charging, but you can enable on battery power or disable it completely.

Bluetooth and wireless radios stay on for a longer while because to keep everything connected if you are moving from room to room at home or at work, also it's made possible because all radios are higher end models with their independent processors.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by acdha »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #54
lukan wrote: post #23

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"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

>"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Apple has no incentive to improve Safari. "It just works" is what their cultists paid to have the honor to parrot, and they enjoy the majority of web market share of people with actual wages and disposable income. That's why the sell culture, not their people's data (directly, yet). Since it's not "Safari" that's broken (since iPhones…

If you’re referring to people as “cultists”, consider that your point might not be as strong as you think. If you have a non-emotional argument about a browser, try making it with logic and data rather than emotion. For example, demonstrate awareness of where the browsers rank on the features which web developers really need (Google’s devrel team likes to highlight PWA features almost nobody uses even on Chrome) and show why the “walled garden” metaphor applies more to a niche browser than the dominant one by a large margin.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by gruez »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #11
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet alt…

>They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification.

Having short startup times is bad now? ...because of "instant gratification"? The rest of your rant might make sense in the broader context of what big tech is doing, but bringing it up in this thread and implying that it's part of a conspiracy where "The internet was captured, gamified, commoditized, and vertically integrated into a handful of giga-Corps" is unhinged.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by gruez »

radicality wrote: post #42
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

Damn, how is that possible? I imagine you have FileVault enabled, and if so this sounds like some security bypass? I was under the impression that until you provide the password after a reboot, the system should know nothing about you as all user data should be encrypted, so it should not know what apps you had open before reboot let alone start playing sound.

>Damn, how is that possible? I imagine you have FileVault enabled, and if so this sounds like some security bypass?

If you're choosing "reboot" rather than "shut down", presumably you intend to continue using the machine, so it's reasonably safe to keep credentials around. AFAIK windows has the same feature.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by sureIy »

gtvwill wrote: post #45
sureIy wrote: post #29

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Can I ctrl-paste the contents of my phone's clipboard onto my Linux computer? How many hours would that take to set up? Because that works out of the box with Macs and iPhones. Pretty useful daily.

Yeah that's been easy for a few years now. Kdeconnect works great/it's been available on Linux since well before windows got it.

I don't trust the definition of "easy" from a Linux man. For me easy means logging into my iCloud account and having it work by default.
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