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@CppPro the logo really annoys you, doesn't it? 2 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41818595 >>1. Change the logo from a demon to something else. (no matter if it is a play on the word "deamon", it is repulsive to many of the 2.4 billion Christians that can be potential users of FreeBSD)
I have been denounced :(
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2011-Novemb...
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I'd respectfully submit that Christians "confronting" me over what I decide to call my business is a fantastic example of someone trying to control the conduct and speech of others. There's a horrendous double standard around religion in our society, whereby religious people demanding things of others is always some beautiful instance of protected religious self expression, but any obligation on religious people to t…
Confronting you in good faith isn't forcing you. And you don't need to agree with someone's ethics systems to tolerate them.
Christians sure do seem to get an awful lot of leeway to 'confront' others, and it never seems to work the other way.
Not forcing, but certainly 'trying to control'.
> And you don't need to agree with someone's ethics systems to tolerate them.
Agreed!
is there an alternative mascot people could prefer? on a mascot rating puffy is easily the best imo... what could freebsd have? any ideas?
If only there were a universally recognized icon that represented the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... seems to me, that would be a good logo to use for an operating system dedicated to freedom and collective competence.
or ants could represent impressive engineering and ability to symbiotically exist with other creatures like aphids, caterpillars, and even a tree in the rain forest that gives them sap and they defend it. maybe a specific kind of ant could be iconic
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Confronting you in good faith isn't forcing you. And you don't need to agree with someone's ethics systems to tolerate them.
> Confronting you in good faith isn't forcing you. Christians sure do seem to get an awful lot of leeway to 'confront' others, and it never seems to work the other way. Not forcing, but certainly 'trying to control'. > And you don't need to agree with someone's ethics systems to tolerate them. Agreed!
That itself is a question of ethics, that I don't think you need to agree with to be able to be tolerant. You can tolerate people without thinking it's "OK" for people to believe things you think are wrong to believe.
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> blatantly being unwelcoming to a lot of religious people. It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. >as a Christian I would say it is appropriate to refuse to do business with someone using such images Send from a Iphone ;)
> It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity, because many diverse countries of the world are full of people who would be uncomfortable or wouldn't want to associate with such images, because of their culture and religion. > Send from a Iphone ;) Sent from Android, but besides the point. I've used FreeBSD and have tried to make it work for me. Unfortunately be…
I am a catholic, but thanks for the "anti Christian" label, you see that's what i mean with extremism ;)
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> It's maybe a clever tactic to keep religious extremists away. Or a clever tactic to reduce diversity, because many diverse countries of the world are full of people who would be uncomfortable or wouldn't want to associate with such images, because of their culture and religion. > Send from a Iphone ;) Sent from Android, but besides the point. I've used FreeBSD and have tried to make it work for me. Unfortunately be…
>I'm not stopping you from being anti religious, or anti Christian. I am a catholic, but thanks for the "anti Christian" label, you see that's what i mean with extremism ;)
Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius seems pretty extreme.
Apocryphal quotes aside there's a well documented long history of intolerance of core cannon heresy.
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> Confronting you in good faith isn't forcing you. Christians sure do seem to get an awful lot of leeway to 'confront' others, and it never seems to work the other way. Not forcing, but certainly 'trying to control'. > And you don't need to agree with someone's ethics systems to tolerate them. Agreed!
> it requires genuine acceptance that others believe and speak differently, and that that's OK That itself is a question of ethics, that I don't think you need to agree with to be able to be tolerant. You can tolerate people without thinking it's "OK" for people to believe things you think are wrong to believe.
One is under no obligation to tolerate racism, for example. One may choose to be a friend to a racist in the hopes of being a positive influence, but this may be difficult for a person to manage without sacrificing their integrity. It must not be expected or mandatory. (And certainly not for members of the race being vilified.)
Similarly, a gay man may choose to be a friend to bigoted religious person in the hopes of opening their eyes to love, but this requires self-abasement of a kind that must not be expected and mandatory.
It's hard to figure out a system of tolerance for the intolerant, and it's not at all clear why they should get the privilege of being intolerant of others, and demand tolerance of themselves. This is effectively what we end up with in practice around religion, though.
“It’s not the Devil, it’s a daemon.” That’s a not a conversation I would want to have. The etymology of “daemon” in the computer sense is Maxwell’s Daemon, a thought experiment involving a mischievous demon. Even to an above average intelligence person, that’s a lot of explaining. Most pre-modern peoples believed in demons, and most people believe images have power. This seems like a violation of the best practices o…
is there an alternative mascot people could prefer? on a mascot rating puffy is easily the best imo... what could freebsd have? any ideas?
If only there were a universally recognized icon that represented the Universal Declaration of Human Rights... seems to me, that would be a good logo to use for an operating system dedicated to freedom and collective competence.
I think if we're going for something as 'neutral' as possible, I'd pick something like a logo of planet earth. But then you'd have the flat-earthers up in arms...
I am trying to grasp what I have just read. I may be able to understand if this is sarcasm probably
Having lived through the 90s as a young adult, I can assure you back then the Family Values crowd was just as annoying and censorious as the Woko Haram is today. 2011 seems a bit late for that kind of thing, but it's entirely plausible a few NPCs didn't get the patch yet.
Brilliant (≧▽≦)