Trust is lost forever. These are good times for Wordpress alternatives to shine.
Ghost.org seems pretty cool.
Would like to use it, but doesn't seem to have any custom field support which is very limiting.
The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
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Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#72It's very funny that Matt's original complaint was that WPEngine didn't contribute enough, and he has now banned them from contributing and stolen what they had previously provided
> [...] and stolen [...] I'm not happy with the mess and Matt's behaviour, but you can't steal free code.
This is not about the code. WP is free to fork it with a new name. This is replacing the old plugin with all its reviews, download count.
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> unless ur claim is that many people in positions like him do what he does which is in turn caused by invariant factors? I don't know about invariants, but there is absolutely a trend of for-profit companies setting up a business around open source and only later trying to close the doors to lock out the competitors that the Free Software system is explicitly designed to encourage. > this global issue of companies b…
As for the trend of the bait and switch. That’s a fair point. But u can always fork and move on. And even then would you say that’s more of an issue or occurs more frequently then corps not contributing back at all? Like when you factor in all the negative externalities what is worse? As for the license, yea I mean that’s kind of the direction I want people to talk about. We have foss absolutists, but there’s these e…
When a user uses some open source software, there is no negative happening. They are not accumulating some debt that should be repaid by "contributing back." If they make a million dollars on it, that makes no difference to the project. Agreeing to a license and then following that license is not "bad faith."
The only damage being done when someone makes money using open source software, is to the ambitions and ego of a developer who imagined that "open source" meant "give me your contributions so I can build an empire." Fortunately, open source is for the benefit of all of us. Nobody owes them fiefs.
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Under Examination”? https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=98321164&caseSearchType=U...
>LIVE/APPLICATION/Under Examination. The trademark application has been accepted by the Office (has met the minimum filing requirements) and that this application has been assigned to an examiner. Good catch. Looks like it was filed just under a year ago, and hasn't been finalized yet. If it is approved, I think the original filing date is considered the registration date, so Matt's usage would (at that point) qualif…
I’m not AL either, but I’ve been close to a couple of trademark applications and even a court case - so that’s why I was curious. Looking through some of the attached PDF, I wonder if it was, or will be denied unless amended, because the words are just too common and/or the scope for the trademark is being cast too wide? The examiner apparently sent a notice to the applicant earlier this year, and there seems to be some sort of extension to the application in play. This may suggest, that unless amended, the current application won’t be granted?
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#75It's very funny that Matt's original complaint was that WPEngine didn't contribute enough, and he has now banned them from contributing and stolen what they had previously provided
> [...] and stolen [...] I'm not happy with the mess and Matt's behaviour, but you can't steal free code.
He's stolen the ACF permalink, reviews, download count, active installations (including the ability to push auto updates), etc.
Sure, the code is free, but that's still a lot of theft.
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#76This is definitely going a bit too crazy. I sympathized with Wordpress a lot in the initial drama, but this is going downhill fast. Blocking somebody's access to the plugin repository, not accepting their patches, and then 'releasing' your own 'secure' version is just abuse, period.
Yeah. I'm a long-time WP site developer. I actually really like Gutenberg (which a lot of critics seem to be suggesting is the first thing that should go in a fork). I'm broadly supportive of e.g. bringing WP-GraphQL and its developer in-house, of adding ACF-type functionality to the core, and even of working to persuade WP Engine to be slightly better citizens.
But I can't shake the feeling that to a lot of observers, this latest thing is going to look rather like a kidnapping. It's not right.
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> [...] and stolen [...] I'm not happy with the mess and Matt's behaviour, but you can't steal free code.
He's stolen the ACF permalink, reviews, download count, active installations (including the ability to push auto updates), etc. Sure, the code is free, but that's still a lot of theft. https://wordpress.org/plugins/advanced-custom-fields/
To add to that he is now violating their trademark by still using their name, branding and logo, all of which are registered trademarks. The copy you download still has all of these in.
Way to speed run wiping out trust in your product.
Any Wordpress plugin developer who relies on it for their livelihood should be EXTREMELY worried.
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#78I don’t have the right background/expertise to dig deeper into a different way of looking at this, but am still hoping that some writer will analyze this as a kind of asymmetrical warfare.
Because looking at it that way, might open different analysis than most of what I’ve seen so far.
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#79Trust is lost forever. These are good times for Wordpress alternatives to shine.
"It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett
Re: The ACF plugin on the WordPress directory has been taken over by WordPress.org
#80This is definitely going a bit too crazy. I sympathized with Wordpress a lot in the initial drama, but this is going downhill fast. Blocking somebody's access to the plugin repository, not accepting their patches, and then 'releasing' your own 'secure' version is just abuse, period.
It's not inherently abusive, consider NPM resurrecting an earlier version of leftpad against author's wish. Who should provide security updates to an open source package when author no longer has access to the repository - voluntarily or otherwise?
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