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HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by School-Cotton »

reducesuffering wrote: post #49
WalterBright wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not definitive proof. Stylometry was known at the time, Hal might have changed his. People have been using computer stylometry for years to rule in or out pretenders to be Shakespeare. Emails can be sent with a timer.

He would've had to mimic someone else in that early crypto-sphere who does match the stylometry much much better. That person was also familiar with Hal's PoW implementation (where Hal mentions it was an implementation of this guy's concept) 3 years before the Bitcoin paper, but attempted to obfuscate that fact.

Why don’t you stop being coy and say who you think it is?

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by reducesuffering »

School-Cotton wrote: post #71
reducesuffering wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would've had to mimic someone else in that early crypto-sphere who does match the stylometry much much better. That person was also familiar with Hal's PoW implementation (where Hal mentions it was an implementation of this guy's concept) 3 years before the Bitcoin paper, but attempted to obfuscate that fact.

Why don’t you stop being coy and say who you think it is?

There's a reason most people don't mention them, as some of this thread illustrates, sorry.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by trog »

It veers quickly into conspiracy theory territory but I have long thought a nation state is a likely candidate for creator. You can kinda pick from several, all equally free from and evidence, and come up with narratives around why they might have done such a thing.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by shepherdjerred »

astrange wrote: post #57
shepherdjerred wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s stopping me from claiming I had this (or any other) wallet and getting the write off?

Audits, same as anything else.

What I mean is how would I prove that I once possessed the key to a wallet?

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by adastra22 »

mepian wrote: post #42
neilv wrote: post #38

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> It's incredibly dangerous of these "journalists". Putting targets on people's back [...] The actual leading candidate is [named other individual/family target] Am I misunderstanding something, or do you want to edit that?

That person is already dead, and already widely discussed (including here on HN a few days ago) as a candidate.

The person being dead just means their surviving family and heirs are the target instead. It's irresponsible to finger anyone as Satoshi.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by adastra22 »

r721 wrote: post #59
adastra22 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also they didn't bother to ask Peter the story behind this? There is a story regarding an entirely different pot of coins.

From CNN story: >In a statement to CNN, Todd denied that the post was supposed to be written by Satoshi, calling it “a coincidence.” >“I was simply pointing out a minor correction to what Satoshi wrote,” Todd told CNN in a statement. “Note that the bitcointalk forum has the ability to edit posts, so it doesn’t even make that much sense that Satoshi would follow up with another message rather than just editing the ori…

I was talking about the "expert on how to sacrifice your bitcoins" thing.

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by adastra22 »

andrewflnr wrote: post #56
adastra22 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of old timers in this space have been subject to kidnapping and ransom attacks, some real and some merely threatened, as well as more mundane phone porting and SWAT'ing. These don't make the news. Then there are the other crypto people who have met grisly ends: Bob Lee and Li Chiming, as well as the suspicious deaths of John Forsyth, Tiantian Kullander, Vyacheslav Taran, and Park Mo. Not candidates for Satoshi,…

They made enough news that you know about them, at least. Anyway, I don't disagree with the last part.

I know about them because I'm one of them. (This is a pseudonymous account, but I've been a bitcoin developer since 2010, and subject to multiple personal attacks. Thankfully no kidnapping or ransom... yet.)

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by bbunix »

kyledrake wrote: post #70

I spent quite a bit of time with Peter Todd in the very early Bitcoin days. I really enjoyed our conversations back then, I have no idea what he is up to now. My gut feeling is that he is probably not Satoshi Nakamoto. Adam Back is a far more likely suspect, particularly for his British english, which Satoshi wrote in.

Canadian English isn't that far off, especially in a lot of the spelling...

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by r721 »

adastra22 wrote: post #76
r721 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From CNN story: >In a statement to CNN, Todd denied that the post was supposed to be written by Satoshi, calling it “a coincidence.” >“I was simply pointing out a minor correction to what Satoshi wrote,” Todd told CNN in a statement. “Note that the bitcointalk forum has the ability to edit posts, so it doesn’t even make that much sense that Satoshi would follow up with another message rather than just editing the ori…

I was talking about the "expert on how to sacrifice your bitcoins" thing.

Ah, I wasn't sure where the quote was from (it's not in the OP article?), so assumed it's from that Bitcointalk post. Apparently it's from some chat log:

>Hoback's theory relies on a chat log message written by Todd in which he claims to be the "world's leading expert on how to sacrifice your bitcoins ... I've done one such sacrifice and I did it by hand," Todd wrote.

>...

>"It's ludicrous," Todd told Hoback, also denying he's John Dillon. "This is going to be very funny when you put this into the documentary and a bunch of bitcoiners watch it."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/10/08/who-i...

Re: HBO documentary suggests Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto is Peter Todd

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Post by petertodd »

adastra22 wrote: post #12

Absolutely insane. (1) It's not Peter Todd. Anyone who knows Peter Todd and/or was around in the early days, can clearly tell Satoshi and Peter are not the same person. (2) No good comes from speculation over the identity of Satoshi. When someone living is named, their life becomes absolute hell and the security risk imposed on them is very real. When someone dead is proposed, that hellish experience is passed to the…

> No good comes from speculation over the identity of Satoshi. When someone living is named, their life becomes absolute hell and the security risk imposed on them is very real. When someone dead is proposed, that hellish experience is passed to their family and heirs.

Indeed.

Cullen should know better: his previous project was a documentary on the QAnon conspiracies, which have managed to get people hurt due to crazies looking for these conspiracies. Cullen's evidence is hopelessly coincidence based... exactly the kind of shoddy evidence that fuels conspiracies like QAnon.

Personally I suspect he made the accusation against me simply to create media interest. In particular, by making an accusation against someone who wasn't a leading contender, myself. I haven't seen the film yet myself. But friends of mine have, and said that other than the Satoshi nonsense it was a reasonable documentary about Bitcoin. Problem is, it's hard to build interest in that.

Anyway, hopefully this just blows over. But we'll see. I already took some precautions re: security just in case...

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