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Their security model won't allow this. I don't know how accessibility and automation tools are going to get by trying to support every wayland compositor.
If I had to use a Desktop environment in Linux, it would be XFCE. But, this Wayland thing is pushing me over to the BSDs. So far I have no abandoned Linux and I doubt Wayland will become mandatory until Firefox stops supporting X.
I'm on X11 still and completely ignored the train wreck, hoping it'll go away eventually.
It will 100x not go away, there is no way. Literally all big stakeholder both open source (Gnome, KDE, Fedora and so on) and companies like Valve are all in on Wayland.
The reality is, X11 is a complete train wreck and always was. Its just that for a long time people invest in it and made it usable. The same is true for Wayland, things have been improving rapidly in Wayland and it many ways its already better.
The train wreck is being cleared and the trains are running again, literally nobody will go back to horses.
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KDE is actually lighter. And hidpi is much better on Qt.
Source?
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Wayland is an entirely new display system that's completely incompatible with X11. X11 apps can generally run under Wayland, but through XWayland, an X server that runs nested under a Wayland compositor.
Oh, ok, so X apps can run under Wayland, because Wayland DEs can run an X server (an existing X impl, or does Wayland provide an X translation layer/impl?) But the DE/window manager is what is actually responsible for deciding when/where to provide that interface? For actual rendering+windows etc the DE is communicating entirely through Wayland specific APIs? I guess the operation mode is similar to how you would run…
It's generally more transparent than running a separate X server on Mac or Windows -- you don't normally need to care about whether an app is X11 or native Wayland.
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KDE is actually lighter. And hidpi is much better on Qt.
And , no Client Side Decorations. XFCE died for me the day they adopted it. Inconsistency-hell ensued. LXQt if you want something with less features, Plasma if you want more features. They're both performant.
As for Wayland, I use it on a Raspberry Pi 4 (Raspbian xwayland). It works well enough, but there is some kind of bug that causes xwayland to fill the swap space at almost 100%. When this happens, I find it necessary to close applications to reduce the swap usage.
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I love XFCE but nowadays it’s unbearable on a HiDPI screen. And so I discovered that Cinnamon is also a very good option when it comes to « a better Windows 2000 ui ». It’s also not incredible on HiDPI but at least Cinnamon is pretty good at not breaking everything when you increase font size by 150 or 200%. On XFCE if you do this everything becomes ugly.
Hmm, can't agree, having run Xfce for years on HiDPI screens. Go to Settings, Appearance, Advanced, set the font DPI to something like 144 or what works for your screen. The only thing that does not obey this is Firefox; the way to adjust it is to set layout.css.devPixelsPerPx to something like 1.5 in about:config.
If I had to use a Desktop environment in Linux, it would be XFCE. But, this Wayland thing is pushing me over to the BSDs. So far I have no abandoned Linux and I doubt Wayland will become mandatory until Firefox stops supporting X.
Should the project be renamed to WFCE?
Xfce is pronounced “ecks-eff-see-ee”. The name Xfce originally stood for “XForms Common Environment”, but since then Xfce has been rewritten twice and doesn't use the XForms toolkit anymore. The name survived, but it is no longer capitalized as “XFCE” and is no longer an abbreviation for anything (although suggestions have been made, such as “X Freakin' Cool Environment”).
Hope XFCE still keeps xorg reliable Most projects introduced bugs in xorg trying to support wayland, which is not reliable for many use cases, making everything unusable every other month
The long-term solution is to switch to Wayland.
Just recently I had to switch back to X11 because Wayland was just awful performance wise, like stuttering and constant fps drop. And this on a what 2023 high quality laptop with standard Ubuntu.
The way Wayland is done is a mistake.