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Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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As somewhat of a Zune fanatic, it always makes me happy to see a new Metro-inspired UI, but every one of these Zune-inspired projects falls short when compared to the actual Zune application, which imo is the absolutely pinnacle of music players. It presents your music library in a way that to me is aesthetically pleasing and entirely intuitive. The three column layout, with sorting options for each, is ideal. Filter…

Might Dopamine be of interest? It has a similar 3 pane interface at least. https://digimezzo.github.io/site/software

Dopamine is indeed a good software, but the version on non-Windows operating systems is based on Electron. I think that's really overkill for a music player.

Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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IMHO Xbox 360, Zune, Windows 7-10 Mobile and Metro were very good UX implementations at their time, and bizarrely far superior to the touch mode Windows 11 offers today on tablets. WTF Microsoft, why are you regressing on all fronts?! Zune never took off because it came too late and was going against a market already dominated by the iPod, and Metro was hated since Microsoft shoved it down the throats of desktop user…

Microsoft’s decisions on windows will always be very funny. Push a gloriously designed tablet UI onto everybody, face backlash because nobody was buying windows tablets so it was tacky on desktop, come out with good windows tablets finally (or hybrid ones) but change the UI to a compromise that neither desktop or tablet users enjoy.

It hurts, Microsoft always ruin the design essentials we love.

Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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Definitely. But even if the iPhone were to be delayed there's no way Zune would have made a significant dent in iPod's market. It was already the established player and the user base was already locked in with hundreds of $ in iTunes purchases. The usets weren't gonna throw that away no matter how much better Zune would have been. iPod's market dominance wasn't in some UX magic that couldn't be replicated or braten b…

I was sometimes involved in this project at MS. The music buying experience for Zune was awful, and I regret missed opportunities to be more forceful about telling the Windows Media execs that they were fucking up. Part of the problem was MS insistence on being fair to everyone and having an open system which led to 5000 shitty online stores where you could buy music. Instead of Apple that had exactly one where they…

Wait, 5000 is an actual number?

Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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IMHO Xbox 360, Zune, Windows 7-10 Mobile and Metro were very good UX implementations at their time, and bizarrely far superior to the touch mode Windows 11 offers today on tablets. WTF Microsoft, why are you regressing on all fronts?! Zune never took off because it came too late and was going against a market already dominated by the iPod, and Metro was hated since Microsoft shoved it down the throats of desktop user…

Zune never took off just like HoloLens, Band, Kinect and Windows Phone didn't take off—not because they were in any way late, but because Microsoft is never "all-in" with any of these ventures. The Xbox was somewhat of an anomaly owing to exclusives like Halo and Gears of War, but it's floundering, and in some countries, like Japan, it's just never taken off, period. Apple Vision doesn't seem to be a sensation in ter…

Band, Microsoft Band, oh how heartbreaking it is to read about the name. I once owned a Microsoft Band and was even excited about the second generation. Its design was captivating. But now it's all gone. My only remaining first-generation Band became unusable due to the notorious cracking issue. Now, I'm stuck with my Fitbit, which lacks design taste and inevitably has battery issues every three years. It's a product I have to patiently endure to keep using. Such a pity.

Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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I realized that I don’t have a single mp3 on my machine these days. If I stop paying the bill I will have nothing to listen to. What have we done?

> If I stop paying the bill I will have nothing to listen to. What have we done? We’ve created one of the most amazing values and uses of technology of our lifetimes? Streaming per month costs so much less than a new CD did 25-30 years ago. And it’s so so so much better than buying a new CD a month. If the average person keeps paying the (quite small) bill, they can listen to essentially anything they want to listen…

You might be right, but the Spotify user experience is really frustrating to a certain extent. Every time I leave home and go offline, there's always a chance that Spotify won't load my offline tracks, and the playlists won't load either. Thanks, I need some peace to reflect on my failed life, bro!

Honestly, the Spotify desktop client is also quite bad. Its feels very sluggish (I'm not sure about its detailed implementation, but it gives me the feeling of a web application). Maybe this level of experience is acceptable for a social media app, but as a music player, its quality is somewhat disappointing to me.

Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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> If I stop paying the bill I will have nothing to listen to. What have we done? We’ve created one of the most amazing values and uses of technology of our lifetimes? Streaming per month costs so much less than a new CD did 25-30 years ago. And it’s so so so much better than buying a new CD a month. If the average person keeps paying the (quite small) bill, they can listen to essentially anything they want to listen…

This assumes you work on the principle of continuously buying new music. If you're someone with a library of ~2k songs and that doesnt change in any real way for years on end it probably doesn't stack up as well, especially when cd's are so darn cheap these days, being able to pick up ~5 full albums on CD for the price of 1 month streaming with little effort for example. Obvious point about not owning it either, so i…

I agree with your point of view. I have a music library of about 3000 songs, and it hasn't grown much in recent years. Owning this music gives me a great sense of security, as it will never be taken down on a whim by a platform.

Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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This assumes you work on the principle of continuously buying new music. If you're someone with a library of ~2k songs and that doesnt change in any real way for years on end it probably doesn't stack up as well, especially when cd's are so darn cheap these days, being able to pick up ~5 full albums on CD for the price of 1 month streaming with little effort for example. Obvious point about not owning it either, so i…

> Obvious point about not owning it either, so if an artist or whole label decides to have a fight with your streaming provider, sorry tough luck, you just lost them from your library. I’ve never had this happen so far. What makes you think it’s likely to happen? > If you're someone with a library of ~2k songs and that doesnt change in any real way for years on end it probably doesn't stack up as well This assumes yo…

> I’ve never had this happen so far. What makes you think it’s likely to happen?

You've either been lucky, or just havent noticed. Spotify used to be really bad for this, instead of it greying out in your library they used to remove every trace of it ever existing in your library, which massively sucked if it was an accidental or short term removal as it would never come back into your playlists.

Music is removed from streaming platforms all the time, it's not a rare thing, or a surprising one. As the other person said, google it and you'll see its a regular occurance.

> This assumes you work on the principle that you’ve found “enough” music vs. that you lost interest in investing in new music because of the cost of buying it.

(UK here so working on our pricing, convert as necessery)

Lets say you've bought/paid for your 2k songs. You put away the £10/month it costs for a streaming service. 6 months in you find a new artist, you want their album. You hop on ebay or wherever to buy a CD, you pay between £3 and £10 for their album (seriously you can get second hand CD's for even relatively new stuff on Ebay for a couple of quid).

In that 6 months you've put away £60 to spend on music, but have spent less than £10, and you own the copies. Nobody can take them away.

Streaming = convenience, thats really all you gain. But if you intend on having your music long term, it ends up being a massive cost.

10 years of Spotify costs £1200. If all you've listened to in that 10 year period is roughly the same few thousand songs thats a heck of a price to pay for conveinence, especially when that £1200 could've been turned into £2663.57 by sticking it in a managed account.

Re: Rune: A local music player reviving Zune's classic aesthetic

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If you stop paying the bill you still have access to YouTube, Spotify, and others

Nothing lowers my opinion of someone than when they decide to control the music and ads randomly blast out of the speakers

Ads? What ads? With uBlock Origin on Firefox, and SmartTube on Android TV, I never see ads on YouTube.

Ads are for people too lazy to install ad-blockers.

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