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Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by llamaimperative »

OutOfHere wrote: post #60
llamaimperative wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Your point only goes…” Huh? How so? Sorry not even clear what your complaint is… is it the Firefox (3% market share) login bug? The Claude chat experience has been superior for a while now, and Projects and Artifacts make it 100x so. Good at hiring and bad at retaining is much worse than the reverse, especially for long-lived R&D projects.

> what your complaint is It helps to read. It's noted in the original comment. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Firefox, as it manfiests only on the Anthropic website.

Ah that's right, the "sickening" pattern of emailing a login code. Not a fan of it myself, but boy is this dramatic.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by llamaimperative »

OutOfHere wrote: post #68
thelittleone wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience has been opposite. I'm using the API. I hit usage tier limits so sent them a request to upgrade my tier. Heard back within an hour and upgraded to the highest tier. I had another request also which was answered same day.

That's good but my complaint is not about the API at all. It is more foundational in that most people would want to use the API (for applications) only if the web chat works well for them, which it doesn't.

"More foundational" == their login method lol

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by gwern »

Alupis wrote: post #3

> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

> I'm not saying a commercial motive is a bad thing - hardly... but this quote seems to be odd given the circumstances.

It only seems odd to you because you are reading much more into it than he's ever said, like "AI should never be commercialized under any circumstances and it is impossible to do so correctly". Then yes, it would be hypocritical. But he didn't say that and never has; and Anthropic thinks they are doing it right.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by astrange »

m463 wrote: post #70
astrange wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is unique in how many public services it has. Other countries have private firefighter services; that just means the city has a contract with them. It doesn't mean they burn your house down and charge you for it.

maybe a better analogy would be: People set up and fund a public bus system that has coverage for all neighborhoods, rich or poor, distant or close. And then after the bus system is up and running, the bus system manager decides transportation is important! He IPOs the bus system, and changes all the routes to money-making routes with cost optimized (higher) fares.

See, one reason it doesn't matter if the public directly owns a bus system is that you can just pass laws telling them what routes they have to run.

But also, a money-making bus system would mean people actually use it. Nobody uses most American bus systems because they don't go anywhere, and they're slower when they do because they aren't popular enough to replace car traffic.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by OutOfHere »

llamaimperative wrote: post #71
OutOfHere wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what your complaint is It helps to read. It's noted in the original comment. It has nothing whatsoever to do with Firefox, as it manfiests only on the Anthropic website.

Ah that's right, the "sickening" pattern of emailing a login code. Not a fan of it myself, but boy is this dramatic.

It's that, but it's more. They promise API credits to try out the API, but then refuse to give any credits. Overall, it's as if they don't care even a little bit for individual customers.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by retendo »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #69
logicchains wrote: post #18

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Gpt4o and o1 are absolutely not better at coding than Claude. They're noticeably worse at following complex, detailed prompts (e.g. a detailed prompt for it to create an application), and often forget details during the conversation (e.g. will revert to an old version of some code it already refactored). o1 is better than Claude for Leetcode hard style coding problems, but the majority of coding work isn't about that…

I write a lot of code with both in multiple languages. o1 is astronomically better than Claude. It's not even a competition.

I have a totally different experience.

I'm porting a medium sized project (40k loc) from iOS to Flutter and I couldn't be more happy with my setup with Claude. Every time I hit the Pro plan limit and I have to resort to ChatGPT the work that I have to put in to manually fix the code easily triples.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by jacobr1 »

llamaimperative wrote: post #46
nurettin wrote: post #34

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> Pivoting from "for all mankind" to "all for myself" Isn't the former already a red flag?

No it’s good to try to build tech that helps people. Doesn’t mean such declarations need to be taken at face value, but being baseline-cynical is generally unwarranted, undesirable, and uninteresting.

The baseline stance for tech startups is wanting to solve a problem in the world and profiting from the value that provides. And thankfully, most of the time, those motives don't conflict. Even a mundane business like my local grocery store solves the problem of a curating a selection of food producers, buying in bulk to ensure a sustained sustained supply at a reasonable price and make it available to me close to my home. That is a tremendous value! And for that they make their markup. They aren't necessarily solving other social problems like food scarcity or maximizing nutrition or whatever, and instead focus on what their customers want to buy, those that can pay for it. But there still is a meeting in the middle of value being created.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by jacobr1 »

gwern wrote: post #73
Alupis wrote: post #3

> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

> I'm not saying a commercial motive is a bad thing - hardly... but this quote seems to be odd given the circumstances. It only seems odd to you because you are reading much more into it than he's ever said, like "AI should never be commercialized under any circumstances and it is impossible to do so correctly". Then yes, it would be hypocritical. But he didn't say that and never has; and Anthropic thinks they are do…

Also Anthropic, even though it has the same conflict of interest as OpenAI, seems to be addressing safety concerns more earnestly. They are listening to their internal team and innovating in the space (especially in a practical sense, not just future AGI concerns). Massively funding (or at least announcing too) and then ignoring a team is much worse.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by jacobr1 »

CaptainFever wrote: post #59
TiredOfLife wrote: post #35

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As I understand the main disagreement between OpenAI and Anthropic is exactly how much and what is censored.

I'm not sure as to what Anthropic means when they mean safety. I remember them doing good, non-censorship work in this field, but I also pay for ChatGPT instead of Claude because Claude is just so censored and boring.

Where is Claude more censored than ChatGPT?

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Post by CaptainFever »

jacobr1 wrote: post #79
CaptainFever wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure as to what Anthropic means when they mean safety. I remember them doing good, non-censorship work in this field, but I also pay for ChatGPT instead of Claude because Claude is just so censored and boring.

Where is Claude more censored than ChatGPT?

For my use-cases, mostly erotica.
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