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SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by moralestapia »

dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

Lol, people still shilling for Boeing at this point.

Unbelievable.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by gwbas1c »

mannyv wrote: post #56
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

Well hmm. NASA decided Starliner wasn't safe enough to use for the return journey, so the astronauts stayed on the ISS until the next ride became available. Originally the astronauts were supposed to go back on Starliner. Now they're taking another ride back. Is that considered a rescue? Well, it depends. If you get left behind on an island because your ride wasn't safe and another boat picks you up, is that a rescue…

> Is that a rescue?

Well, was there an accident? It seems like the astronauts staying extra long is to avoid an accident. Does their need to be an accident to call it a rescue?

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by iterance »

mannyv wrote: post #56
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

Well hmm. NASA decided Starliner wasn't safe enough to use for the return journey, so the astronauts stayed on the ISS until the next ride became available. Originally the astronauts were supposed to go back on Starliner. Now they're taking another ride back. Is that considered a rescue? Well, it depends. If you get left behind on an island because your ride wasn't safe and another boat picks you up, is that a rescue…

Following the analogy... you're on an island. A ferry has showed up at the island every six months or so for the last 40 years. The last ferry that showed up broke before it could leave the harbor. No need to worry, though. Another ferry's coming in six months and there are plenty of supplies on the island.

Is it rescue? Maybe in the sense that you can't leave when you wanted to and now you have to wait. But not in the sense that you were ever in any real danger.

(Admittedly, maybe there is a bit more danger for these astronauts because a malfunctioning spacecraft is inherently a bit of a safety hazard. And the SpaceX operation is certainly not as routine as a ferry showing up at a dock, though it's still safe.)

It seems that it is both a bit subjective whether one calls it "rescue," and also a bit sensationalized to put in a headline too.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

> it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications

Standard but modified is an oxymoron. This is an irregular mission.

NASA plans with tonnes of redundancy. That’s paying off here. Being prepared doesn’t poof away a fuck-up, it just means you can take it in stride. Starliner stranded two astronauts in space. Dragon is fixing that. Being saved from being stranded sure as hell sounds like being rescued, even if it’s close to routine.

> Starliner was still deemed to be safe enough to be the emergency escape option while it was docked

This is a threshold met by a torn parachute on a jet.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by moralestapia »

unethical_ban wrote: post #51
joe_the_user wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications..." Rescue definition: an act of saving or being saved from danger or distress . The mission to take astronauts off the space station clearly fits this definition - an extended, unplanned and indefinite stay in space has to be distressing at the least. Has the HN standard become that you can argue the most ridiculous thing if you make…

If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. You shift from talking about danger or distress, to "not regular or expected". Which is it? I think danger and urgency are marks of "rescue". If they had supplies and were in no immediate danger, I don't see how the term or the alarmism qualifies.

You mixed the numbers there.

"day 30 of my 2 day vacation" is more accurate.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by raspasov »

unethical_ban wrote: post #51
joe_the_user wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications..." Rescue definition: an act of saving or being saved from danger or distress . The mission to take astronauts off the space station clearly fits this definition - an extended, unplanned and indefinite stay in space has to be distressing at the least. Has the HN standard become that you can argue the most ridiculous thing if you make…

If my car breaks down while I'm at my fully-loaded villa on day 2 of my 30 day vacation, my friend coming to pick me up isn't a rescue mission. You shift from talking about danger or distress, to "not regular or expected". Which is it? I think danger and urgency are marks of "rescue". If they had supplies and were in no immediate danger, I don't see how the term or the alarmism qualifies.

Your villa is totally incomparable to space or a space station.

Hypothetically:

- you can walk outside, hitch a ride home

- fully loaded means there’s electricity and phones? Call a Taxi?

- walk to a near town shop, buy car parts and fix the car if you have the skills

None of those hypotheticals are even remotely possible in space. It’s a bad comparison.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by dotnet00 »

moralestapia wrote: post #71
dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

Lol, people still shilling for Boeing at this point. Unbelievable.

Pointing out overly sensational and misleading reporting is not shilling for Boeing.

Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by bapr »

dotnet00 wrote: post #3

Man the reporting on this ordeal has been so awful and so representative of how media misleads the public into thinking things are worse than they actually are. It isn't a rescue mission, it's a regular crew rotation mission with modifications to account for the extra crew left on the station, and those crew are 'stuck' only in the sense that they're expected to stay there as part of their duties and it would be unne…

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Re: SpaceX launches mission for 2 NASA astronauts who are stuck on the ISS

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Post by dylan604 »

justin66 wrote: post #48
electriclove wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX is pretty much America’s space program at this point - absolutely incredible!

Weird way of looking at it. Was Roscosmos “America’s space program” when they were selling the rides?

No. They were just the rescue (to stay on theme) for America's space program.
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