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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by baby » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:20 PM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

Wanna see the first prototypes for mobile phones? And even then it's really good compared to a Quest, but def. not good enough if you're going to wear this on the daily

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by mandibles » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:20 PM UTC

Sanzig wrote: post #44

On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

Don't forget the internal data pipeline to the security state apparatus in the various FB operating jurisdictions.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by ru552 » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

tony_cannistra wrote: post #5

I have to assume there are folks out there for whom the maximum chonky appearance is appealing. I think we still have some room to grow there in terms of aesthetic for the majority though. undoubtedly a progressive achievement in the field, despite it all

"I think we still have some room to grow there in terms of aesthetic for the majority though."

So does Meta and it's the reason they aren't actually releasing this as a product. They just showed us where they're at and gave us an idea on where they want to go in the next few years.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by jachee » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

Sanzig wrote: post #44

On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

> Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their advertising services

More like when they decide to do that. They want to capture and extrapolate any and all data possible from every possible source.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by mellosouls » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

The Meta ones lack the obligatory sellotape over one side though.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by baby » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

greener_grass wrote: post #27

Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

I wear my Meta glasses all the time and use them to record all the time. It's fine, you're already surrounded by people who brandish their phones to record everything.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by tambourine_man » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

I know meta (ha) discussions are frowned upon on HN, but I never really understood why, so here it goes:

This link weights in 115MB. It loads a 30MB GIF for its hero image. That's from a company that was born on and from the Web. The people that brought you React.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by PaulHoule » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

emdanielsen wrote: post #4

Wow. Something seems to have really changed at Meta in the last few years. I really thought the company had run out of innovation juice during its peak evangelism of "the metaverse." And I know I wasn't alone in that sentiment. But they continue to impress across the board.

Their messaging has been really tone deaf.

For instance, the media never seemed to get the point of Horizon Worlds in that if VR content is going to be like the web, there has to be authoring tools that make it possible for the ordinary Joe to make content. The persona I think of is the owner of a few Thai restaurants who is very savvy about SEO and SMO and developing relationships with DoorDash and such. That person has to see the value of having a VR or AR presence that is greater than the cost of developing.

Horizon Worlds fell down in many ways not least in making you create everything with computational solid geometry and not letting you import image, video and 3d assets. Sorry but McDonalds has to put the Coca-Cola logo on the side of the drink cups. One trouble is the size of those assets has to be managed so that you don’t overload the rendering engine or the comm link. Another is that people are going to make worlds stuffed with porno images or theaters where you can watch pirated movies. As it is their authoring tools aren’t that good, people who know how to author 3-d content can’t use the tools and processes that are good at, and your world can only be so big.

There are many good games that are developed with the expensive processes used to make 3d games and a huge number of Horizon Worlds competitors, I am sure Meta wants to see one succeed but it is not an easy problem.

I like my MQ3 but for entertainment it competes with other options (sure it was fun to watch the last Star Wars movie in 3D and I like VR games but normal video and video games is hard to beat) and for creative work it is the same: in theory I could publish my stereograms in VR with A-Frame but there are so many other projects to work on.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by Handy-Man » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

throwup238 wrote: post #57

Sanzig wrote: post #44

On one hand - if the demos are representative, this looks like a very cool product right out of science fiction. On the other hand, Meta is one of the very last companies that I would trust to operate a fleet of network connected always-on cameras attached to everyone's faces. The privacy implications are pretty horrifying. Imagine if Meta decided to run facial recognition on-device and upload the results to their ad…

Especially after the whole Occulus Facebook account fiasco. The technology looks great but I have zero interest in owning a Facebook product because they can't be trusted, full stop.

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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by baby » Wed, Sep 25, 2024, 6:21 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #65

greener_grass wrote: post #27

Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

If they do it like their current Ray Ban glasses, there's an LED on the front that lights up when it's recording. People will no doubt disable it though.

you can't disable it, and it doesn't really matter anyway because nobody seems to notice it. I have videos of all my friends the first time I run into them using the glasses, and none of them realize that I'm recording them unless I stare at them for long enough without moving.