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What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#71
post #13

> Is this what the peak ordering experience looks like? Call me old-fashioned, but to me the peak experience is a paper menu to choose from, and a waiter that patiently takes the order. Far prefer that to everyone at the table fiddling on their phones in some weird-ass website or even god forbid custom app.

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Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#72
post #13

> Is this what the peak ordering experience looks like? Call me old-fashioned, but to me the peak experience is a paper menu to choose from, and a waiter that patiently takes the order. Far prefer that to everyone at the table fiddling on their phones in some weird-ass website or even god forbid custom app.

A good server is an emissary from the kitchen, who knows the menu, and helps you find the best dishes. A great server establishes rapport with the regulars, anticipates their needs, makes them feel welcome and comfortable.

Unfortunately "server" is not considered a respectable career but something you put up with before your film career takes off, or how you pay your college tuition for that juicy psychiatric nurse degree.

So nobody can be paid enough, or retained long enough, to care about customers or the food. So 25 years from now, the best server will be a Roomba with a prominent QR on its back.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#73
post #13

> Is this what the peak ordering experience looks like? Call me old-fashioned, but to me the peak experience is a paper menu to choose from, and a waiter that patiently takes the order. Far prefer that to everyone at the table fiddling on their phones in some weird-ass website or even god forbid custom app.

OMG .... 1000 upvotes ...

Even worse are the restaurants who require one table to be all ordered on one phone ... so one lemon ends up effectively being the waiter for the table and doing the ordering for everyone. Ask me how I know.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#74
post #60

> Next time you're at a restaurant that makes you scan a QR code and enter your mobile number to order, I want you to remember that random strangers on the internet are looking over your shoulder and watching what you're eating. Isn’t this just sample size one? In other systems this information can be passed securely and not leaked later.

Let's not forget though that these systems aren't made to make your ordering experience better (they do the opposite) - they're literally made to make it easier for more "random strangers" look over your shoulder and watch what you're eating. Strangers working for the vendor, working for the QR-menu solution provider, working for various marketing companies, etc.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#75

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Sure, but what you’re describing is not what is being suggested. Responsible disclosure typically involves disclosing publicly after a reasonable period of time.

Why? Why should they be the responsible ones, when the well-funded, well-connected service provider is acting like the fly-by-night startup (that they probably started as)? There's little public benefit in responsible disclosure here; all it would lead to is the whole thing being swept under the rug with some trivial "fix". There's lots of public benefit in immediate, wide disclosure - the scramble to fix this under…

There's a big difference between announcing "I found all this private data" and "I found all this private data and here's exactly how I did it and here are the URLs". What the author has done is detail exactly how anyone else can abuse this system from anywhere in the world and also given them ideas about what to do with that information that would cause a direct cost to the company. I think that's irresponsible and unnecessary. You public disclosure rationale has some merit but it didn't require publishing the user manual for the attack. Just saying you used the API, publishing the amounts plus some proof of private data from people who have given consent would be enough to get the business scrambling.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#76
post #6

Nice find! There's a problematic but not critical personal information leak, a mild business intelligence leak and that's about it. > They could keep this script running for months, even years, creating awkward scenes and uncomfortable conversations at every restaurant across the country. If that's about the worst thing you can actively do, then it's only about the data leak.

In the EU the leak of the mobile number alone would be sufficient for this to count as a serious breach

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#77
post #37

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I’m not sure if this could be considered “peak”. The ratio of waiting staff to customers is an obvious bottleneck. This inefficiency is simply accepted and not even really thought about, it’s just the way things are. But one thing I can say for this tech is it fixed it and the difference is noticeable.

inefficiency? It's part of the experience. I'm not in a restaurant or café to drink as fast as possible. I'm there to socialize as well. Waiting a bit is not a bottleneck, but a feature. (If I wanted speed, I'd take the drive-through).

Slow and mostly self-serving service is a FEATURE? Sounds like stockholm syndrome to me. Its easy to socialize with a decently fast waiter. Bootlenecks are just that, a reason to avoid the restaurant.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#78
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure if this could be considered “peak”. The ratio of waiting staff to customers is an obvious bottleneck. This inefficiency is simply accepted and not even really thought about, it’s just the way things are. But one thing I can say for this tech is it fixed it and the difference is noticeable.

inefficiency? It's part of the experience. I'm not in a restaurant or café to drink as fast as possible. I'm there to socialize as well. Waiting a bit is not a bottleneck, but a feature. (If I wanted speed, I'd take the drive-through).

Ok cool that it works for you, but many don't have the time and patience to wait for the waitresses. Especially when I'm with kids I just love to go to these places where I can just directly order stuff to the table using my mobile. The extra stress of waving and communicating to the waiter is gone.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

#80
post #13

> Is this what the peak ordering experience looks like? Call me old-fashioned, but to me the peak experience is a paper menu to choose from, and a waiter that patiently takes the order. Far prefer that to everyone at the table fiddling on their phones in some weird-ass website or even god forbid custom app.

I have been to restaurants where they bring you a tablet that you keep at your table. It has the menu and everything on it. You order what you want from it, food or drinks, at any time and a waiter brings it to you.

I found the experience better than ordering from a waiter and better than using your own phone.

I've told that chains in China have now replaced this last bit "a waiter brings it" by a little robot.

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