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Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by austin-cheney »

hyperpape wrote: post #26
austin-cheney wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you mean: Brendan Eich, the creator of JavaScript and a co-signatory of this letter, wrote in 2006 that “ECMAScript was always an unwanted trade name that sounds like a skin disease.” Then this is not a matter of trademark or identity. It is only a matter of marketing. If this is just a matter of trademark my comment remains equally valid. Just use a different name.

"Why should I change? He's the one who sucks." Oracle gets no real benefit from the trademark, and getting everyone to stop calling it JavaScript is basically impossible. It would be better for everyone for Oracle to just abandon the trademark. I don't expect Oracle to actively release the trademark, but it would be better if they did.

Don't worry about other people. Just worry about yourself. It is either your problem or it isn't a problem at all.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by jajko »

lucacasonato wrote: post #30
Pet_Ant wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Regardless, JavaScript is now much larger than Java Curious, but in what way? Java still drive lots of enterprise and banks, and I cant' say I've seen any Node.js in the backend at any of these places.

JavaScript is the world's most popular programming language. https://www.statista.com/statistics/793628/worldwide-develop...

That's a poor stats to be polite. SQL is no programming language, PL/SQL and its variants are. Without scripting languages you can't embed much logic in it.

I also wonder how they count multi users, I can easily mark 10 of those if not more.

> HTML/CSS were the most commonly used programming languages

I am sorry but that can't be taken seriously, then I know a ton of Excel developers, and wait till I get to Powerpoint ones.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by elzbardico »

kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

“It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity! Or remorse or fear and it absolutely will not stop!... ever... until you are dead!”

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by rz2k »

sigzero wrote: post #59
cxr wrote: post #53

This is a stupid non-issue. You can go ahead and call it JavaScript despite what Oracle does or doesn't say. Better yet, though: don't call it JavaScript—call it JS. "JavaScript" is and always was a dumb name. "JS" is not only fine, but better—and not because "JS" is particularly good, but because "JavaScript" itself isn't exactly hard to beat. The only thing left to do is for the spec authors (which includes signato…

There is nothing better about "JS" over "JavaScript".

It works well as a modifier, and makes it easy to search for projects that are named after other common concepts or objects. It's also easy and natural- sounding to say for English speakers. Compared to other modifiers, it's more like "-dot-com" than "-lang", or even worse "libre-".

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by redslazer »

kragen wrote: post #68

i don't think oracle does anything in order to earn goodwill or because it's the right thing. they're structurally immune to moral suasion. don't forget that oracle was the company that sued google for the independent reimplementation of java they used in android. if you want oracle to do something, you either need to offer them a lot of money or level an extremely credible, well-financed legal threat at them as agum…

Iceland the country won its trademark case agains Iceland the supermarket chain so there is probably something to it.

EUIPO "[Iceland Supermarket] cannot reasonably trademark the name of a country that has been around since the 9th century".

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by rpastuszak »

OptionOfT wrote: post #21

Does Oracle actually defend it? Isn't the rule behind a trademark that you actually need to enforce it? VELCRO(r) has this song about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRi8LptvFZY Edit: as I watched the video again I finally caught on the fact that RollerBlades are a brand of inline-skates. In Belgium we called them inline-skates. It's interesting to see how brands-as-identifiers change based on language and countr…

Tangent, but in Poland these are called "Iceskaterollers" (łyżworolki). Now I wonder how my mother tongue compares to, say, English in terms of gzip compression efficiency.

Re: Oracle, it's time to free JavaScript

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Post by psychoslave »

mp05 wrote: post #76
elzbardico wrote: post #72

People falling in the ages old trap of antropormophizing Oracle executives.

Have you seen Larry lately? How do you look like that at 80 years old? He must be a cyborg.

I heard that blood transfusion in Switzerland clinics, using blood of young healthy people of course, works pretty well.
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