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Re: Why are Europeans White?

#71
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This is just plain wrong, if you watch the documentary "the human family tree" the first people with less pigment were southeast asians as in towards China, and there is genetic evidence for it. I think it is sad the more I watch these genetic documentaries the more I see the mixing of gene pools the more you know humans are very much the same but we also have a massive innate disposition to see people with different…

I wish White Europeans and American etc. Could get over it, you owe your white skin to Africans becoming light skin asians It has almost nothing to do with Europe except that is where the settlements ended up. The genetic trace has all been done. Yes we are all as much Asian as African believe it or not.

This is why I wish more scientists would speak up because of debates like this where the evidence is out there but no scientist to presents it, instead just random blog posts faking the science behind it.

Re: Why are Europeans White?

#72

I see that as daylight has reached my multi-ethnic neighborhood near the 45th parallel of north latitude in the middle of North America, this article about settlement patterns of Homo sapiens has received a lot of upvotes. I'll reply based on the more than fifty replies already posted, based on background reading I've done on the subject, and based on my "natural experiment" of living all over the United States (I ha…

> By the way, the "race" categories that are used in the United States are arbitrary, subject to rewriting from time to time for political considerations, and do not correspond to any scientific view of geographical populations.

These categories are hardly arbitrary, they are political. We separate people into republicans and democrats, too, but just because this separation is not based on genetics or geography does not make it arbitrary or even bad.

Re: Why are Europeans White?

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Nitpick: That heat ferried by the gulf stream is what warns the Baltic is a quasi-religious supposition from the father of oceanography. The thermal ballast of the Atlantic ocean that develops in the summer is primarily responsible for most of Europe's uncommonly warm winters.

The Baltic isn't all that warm either - half of it freezes over in winter.

The Baltic clearly has anomalous high temperatures for it's latitude.

http://montessorimuddle.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Annua...

Re: Why are Europeans White?

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How does this explain blue grass? Is grass the same colour all over the World? Just a thought. Also white people look white as they reflect that light so there skin is the opposite, same for people who are black in that there skin is obsorbing the other light frequencies and so reflecting back not alot and as such appearing black. Now if you got all the populations and used transport like planes and mixed them all ab…

Why was this downvoted?

Re: Why are Europeans White?

#75

I see that as daylight has reached my multi-ethnic neighborhood near the 45th parallel of north latitude in the middle of North America, this article about settlement patterns of Homo sapiens has received a lot of upvotes. I'll reply based on the more than fifty replies already posted, based on background reading I've done on the subject, and based on my "natural experiment" of living all over the United States (I ha…

> By the way, the "race" categories that are used in the United States are arbitrary, subject to rewriting from time to time for political considerations, and do not correspond to any scientific view of geographical populations. These categories are hardly arbitrary, they are political. We separate people into republicans and democrats, too, but just because this separation is not based on genetics or geography does…

That's his point. Political categorizations seem arbitrary from a scientific perspective.

Re: Why are Europeans White?

#76
"Children around the world are often blonde, but their hair darkens at puberty. So it is not just northern European adult skin that lacks pigment. It is also adult European hair."

The pictures posted by the author about child blondness look suspiciously like cases of malnutrition [1][2].

[1]http://www.lancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(... (search for "vitamin")

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_hair_color#Medical_condit...

Re: Why are Europeans White?

#77
There's another school of thought that attributes the variety of hair, skin, and eye color in Europe to sexual selection rather than the brightness of the sun. In brief, Europe during the last glacial period offered very little food for women to gather, so women were almost completely dependent upon men for hunted meat. As a result of this imbalance, women developed striking looks to attract men.

For an example of this line of thinking in the evolutionary literature see: "European hair and eye color: A case of frequency-dependent sexual selection?" (Frost 2006) [1]

Human hair and eye color is unusually diverse in northern and eastern Europe. The many alleles involved (at least seven for hair color) and their independent origin over a short span of evolutionary time indicate some kind of selection. Sexual selection is particularly indicated because it is known to favor color traits and color polymorphisms. In addition, hair and eye color is most diverse in what used to be, when first peopled by hunter-gatherers, a unique ecozone of low-latitude continental tundra. This type of environment skews the operational sex ratio (OSR) of hunter-gatherers toward a male shortage in two ways: (1) men have to hunt highly mobile and spatially concentrated herbivores over longer distances, with no alternate food sources in case of failure, the result being more deaths among young men; (2) women have fewer opportunities for food gathering and thus require more male provisioning, the result being less polygyny. These two factors combine to leave more women than men unmated at any one time. Such an OSR imbalance would have increased the pressures of sexual selection on early European women, one possible outcome being an unusual complex of color traits: hair- and eye-color diversity and, possibly, extreme skin depigmentation.

[1]: http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(05)00059-0/abstr...

Re: Why are Europeans White?

#78
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For whatever reason, pale skin is highly coveted by many Asian cultures and some will avoid the sun almost entirely to avoid darkening their skin. As well as using (potentially dangerous) skin lightening products which is a huge market in Asia: http://www.acrwebsite.org/volumes/v35/naacr_vol35_273.pdf

> For whatever reason, pale skin is highly coveted by many Asian cultures and some will avoid the sun almost entirely to avoid darkening their skin. Isn't the opposite also true in Western cultures? In Europe, where I live, people want to look darker, and go sunbathing. And in the US there's also this "fake tan" thing.

Tanning is a recent phenomenon, started in the 20's as I recall.

Re: Why are Europeans White?

#79
Of course, there's another reason that's been kicking around for decades. A pair suddenly shows up in Mesopotamia around 6000 years ago. Their descendants taken captive by Assyria, and their eventual migration into Northern Europe as the Anglo Saxons / Celtic peoples.

http://www.livescience.com/9578-common-ancestor-blue-eyes.ht...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

Re: Why are Europeans White?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By the way, the "race" categories that are used in the United States are arbitrary, subject to rewriting from time to time for political considerations, and do not correspond to any scientific view of geographical populations. These categories are hardly arbitrary, they are political. We separate people into republicans and democrats, too, but just because this separation is not based on genetics or geography does…

That's his point. Political categorizations seem arbitrary from a scientific perspective.

He doesn't say "arbitrary from a scientific perspective", he says "arbitrary". The former would be a silly point anyways. Would it make sense to point out how arbitrary it is that the houses of congress are divided up by party because party appears arbitrary from a (genetic) scientific viewpoint?

Don't confuse genetic/geographic science with science as a whole. Anywhere you can do experiments you can do science, and politics is no exception (although everything is much noisier). Certainly, the groups of people described by the census are meaningful in a scientifically confirm-able way: they identify with each other, forming clearly discernible self-selecting cliques, neighborhoods, etc.

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