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Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

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Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

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> “It is an industry practice to have a price freeze from Nov. 1 to Feb. 5 for all private label and national brand grocery products, and this will be the case in all Metro outlets.”

Sounds like Metro just admitted to illegal price collusion to me. If this isn’t illegal in Canada, perhaps the law is the problem?

Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

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post #2

I'm sure there is a theory of how this would reduce prices - what is it? Real estate markets became infinitely more transparent over the last couple of years, to the extent that the data is used to train data scientist. The result? Speculators entered the market at it's messed up.

Is speculation as much of a concern for groceries? Real estate is an asset you can hold onto for a while, but I feel like buying up groceries just means you'll have a lot of expired food pretty soon if you can't find a buyer.

Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

#73
Interesting idea, I'm also in Canada, I briefly looked at extracting grocery store price info, don't forget that prices from the same retailer can vary greatly by geo and even locations. Also several stores, in store prices don't match online prices (costco is the obvious example, but nearly every store has in store exclusives that don't hit online advertising).

Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would demonstrate collusion? Very similar prices could be a sign of close competition, and razor-thin margins. Varying prices could also be a sign of close competition, with grocers choosing loss-leaders to lure customers into the store.

Look at the data for Austria presented in the link in the article. Supermarkets raised and lowered prices on the same day to the exact same amount and lots of other pretty damning evidence.

Those instances do look suspicious, though it’s likely that both vendors were sourcing from the same supplier and/or one was matching their competitor’s pricing. I’d be interested to see what proportion of the own-brand goods this had happened for, whether the same store was always first to raise prices, and what their supply chains looked like.

Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

#76

Top three grocery companies in Norway, which have almost the entire grocery market here between them, just got fined[1] for price collusion. They'd signal rising prices for a category by rising the price on certain products within that category, was one accusation. Extensive use of price scouts aided in this. Initially the fine was much larger, but ended up at about 450M USD total between the three. For comparison, t…

For how many years did this collusion last? What percentage of their annual profit could be attributed to price collusion?

Norgesgruppen's 2005 annual report shows a profit margin of 2.2%. In 2021, that ballooned to 3.8%. That's almost a 75% growth in margin.

Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

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post #47

Doesn't making this data available also provide it to the grocers? Is it still "collusion" if they all just start raising their prices to public benchmarks on any items where they're low? They're not "working with each other" now. They're just "analyzing the publicly available data to remain competitive."

Canadian grocers already have sophisticated price watch tools all pointed at each other and augmented by human labor.

This data set is from scraping online grocery store prices over a period of time, it's not live. It wouldn't improve grocer's price data harvesting, but it does slightly reduce the gap between what they have in hand, and what the public and press can have in hand.

Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would demonstrate collusion? Very similar prices could be a sign of close competition, and razor-thin margins. Varying prices could also be a sign of close competition, with grocers choosing loss-leaders to lure customers into the store.

Look at the data for Austria presented in the link in the article. Supermarkets raised and lowered prices on the same day to the exact same amount and lots of other pretty damning evidence.

Supermarkets often publish upcoming sale prices in advance, and matching your competitor’s prices is not collusion. On the contrary, it’s a sign of healthy competition!

If supermarkets are getting together and forming handshake agreements like “we will not change prices between November and February”, like Canadian supermarkets apparently did, then that could constitute collusion.

Re: Project Hammer: reduce collusion in the Canadian grocery sector

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post #5

Oh man, we really need this for telecom too. And even more important than their collusion is their political corruption, so the government protects them from competition and funnels endless billions in taxpayer money to them.

Prices have come down a lot. I have reasonable plans from black Friday at like $30ish/month.
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