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Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

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Many of us have experienced what you describe and it sucks. I hope you're able to sort it out and feel better about things sooner than later. That's generally the case. But you and others should keep on mind that "burnout" is not a very precise or actionable word and thinking of your current challenges as being products of burnout doesn't give you much traction on what you can do about not feeling well or what extern…

You missed one of the most important things they may not be doing, excersize. This has an incredible "freeing" effect on the mind and "soul". You dont need to be a HIT or cross fit fanatic. just get out and active reguarly. This will also help with sleep and eating better. Get into regular tiring excersize. It will help with so much.

Indeed!

I had it there, then revised as "being active" as I think a lot of people get distracted and discouraged by the the contrived, abstract thing that is modern "exercise". I personally enjoy exercise as a hobby, but doing some productive labor, commuting or running errands by foot/bicycle, engaging with active kids, etc, can all hit the same mark in terms of ongoing wellness.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#73
If I have one thing to share about burn out, it’s that I didn’t think I would get it. Maybe someone reading this is like I was.

I always and energy to do everything. I was often the hero making sure we recovered from errors over the weekend, we hit unrealistic deadlines, or we were prepared for stakeholders beyond what we thought was possible. I thought this was rewarding and that it would help my career, so it was worth it. I liked feeling useful and needed by my team.

It seemed for a decade or so that this fountain of energy, what I assumed was innate enthusiasm, would never end. It seemed like the natural thing to do.

Well, eventually real life happened. I had kids to care for. I had a relationship to maintain. I couldn’t continue working time and a half in perpetuity. Weekend projects and learning got sidelined.

The healthy response to this would be recognizing how crazy it was in the first place. Instead I doubled down in both directions. I’d be an awesome parent and partner, AND I’d keep doing my best at work. It’ll be easy I said, I just need to manage my time better. I just need to plan and strategize. It’s only hard right now because I’m working hard, not smart.

I was wrong. Everything suffered. I began to resent myself for it, steadily whittling down my self esteem and confidence. I brought a worse version of myself to everything I did. And worse all the time.

I wish I was kidding but this gradual descent took a decade. It wasn’t just burn out. It was a complete restructuring of my internal monologue and outward lens on the world. I became incredibly depressed. It wasn’t until years, literally years, of intense burn out that I began to consider that I was experiencing burn out.

Burn out is a trendy buzz word, I figured. Work is supposed to be challenging. People the world over have found work hard for all of time and that’s precisely why it’s called work, right?

I had endless excuses for why I needed to work harder. I needed to stop going so easy on myself. Yet simultaneously I felt overwhelmed with the expectations I believed people had of me. Life gradually began to seem something like impossible. How could I possibly do all of this stuff?

Thinking this was normal was my ultimate undoing. I never stopped to think shit, Steve, you’ve got some dumb ideas. Take a break. Relax. Do less. I kept insisting to myself that it was all expected, required, necessary. By failing to do all of it I wasn’t experiencing the natural consequence of taking on too much… I was discovering that I was incompetent, unskilled, intelligent, etc.

Please don’t let yourself be me. It snuck up on me in the craziest way. I thought I was smarter than that, frankly. I don’t consider myself particularly smart, but I thought this would be relatively easy to avoid. I figured the signs would be obvious.

They probably are to others. For you, it might be incredibly insidious and entrenched much deeper than you’d imagine.

Maybe the best strategy is caring for yourself. My burn out was the product of insecurity and feeling the need to put others first almost relentlessly. Don’t do that. You matter as much as the people around you. Take care of yourself.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#74
Get well, OP. There was a time in me that I have been working for hours in front of my laptop then suddenly I feel like I just woked up working and I cannot remember much of what I was doing in the past couple of hours working. Strange experience but I know it is a burnout, I have resigned and moved to another job after that.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#76

Early on in my career (I was a late bloomer and already in early 30's) as a developer, I got burnt out pretty bad twice. After the second time and teetering on a third, I knew I had to do something to change what I was doing and how I managed my work load. I just focused on getting MY stuff done and that was it. I stopped taking on other's people work. I stopped taking on more work once I got my stuff done. I would d…

This feels impossible for someone who is early career. How could you balance growth with this? You could say "if your job isn't providing you with opportunities to grow, look for a new job or talk to your manager". But that takes extra time as well. You need to work on portfolio/side projects with in-demand skills you don't currently use, talk to managers, apply to jobs, network, read, etc.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#77
This is too real. This weekend is when I finally start looking for a new job. Corporate life just fucking sucks. Work is "easy" but it's just not rewarding. The before/after OP described is kind of on point. But add in the fact that I just don't give a fuck about this company anymore. There's nothing I work on that contributes to the betterment of society. Equivalent of pushing paper at this point.

Going to get a good fucking rest (10 hours of full sleep). Run in the morning. Then grind out applications and hitting up connections.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#78

Many of us have experienced what you describe and it sucks. I hope you're able to sort it out and feel better about things sooner than later. That's generally the case. But you and others should keep on mind that "burnout" is not a very precise or actionable word and thinking of your current challenges as being products of burnout doesn't give you much traction on what you can do about not feeling well or what extern…

You missed one of the most important things they may not be doing, excersize. This has an incredible "freeing" effect on the mind and "soul". You dont need to be a HIT or cross fit fanatic. just get out and active reguarly. This will also help with sleep and eating better. Get into regular tiring excersize. It will help with so much.

Walking for 30 minutes 3 times a day helps me a lot. I need to start doing it again. It's so easy to ass out on the couch after a grueling day, and when you're burned out, every day is a grueling day.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#79
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From my own experience of burning out and getting out of it: Mechanics: it seems easier to get in to burn out but far far longer to get out of. I know what I wanted to do but could not bring myself to do it. Though not always, gut health (or the lack of it. My burn out coincided with my IBD episode) could be an early symptom to back off the throttle a bit. Subjective: I've learnt to remember that look on someone face…

I have a similar story. Burnt out and thought my brain was cooked. Then I got my sleep apnea sorted. Then found out I had celiac (the apnea might be related).

Getting that all sorted is like an insane nootropic. I'm smart again and can work real fast.

Re: Tell HN: Burnout is bad to your brain, take care

#80
I recently read that cynical people can die 7 yrs easier and suffer from host of diseases . My burnout is mainly from cynicism towards the world.

My worldview is that you have to taken under the wing of an influential person( usually a white man) to go anywhere in the world.

for example, I just cannot get over the fact that Paul Graham knew within 3 minutes of meeting sam altman that he was going to the next bill gates and that he superpower was that he is 'Michael jordan of listening' . These are actual quotes, not parody. A totally unimpressive person like sam altman with no tangible accomplishments grifted his way to stratosphere because paul graham gave the teenager 4% stake in stripe for 15k, for what reason i don't know ( well i have some creepy guesses but i will keep them to myself).

I quote this example because a lot of ppl around here believe in meritocracy and are spinning their wheels with nothing to show for.

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