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Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by viraptor »

dubme1 wrote: post #45

Paid Kagi user here. I REALLY wish Kagi would focus on it's core selling point: search. Building a search engine is hard enough. I use Kagi Search everyday and I am mostly happy with it but the product has a lot of room for improvment. Stop launching new products (browser, summarizer, gpt, assistant) while your core product is still behind the competition in many areas.

I think this is very much about search. They just took on what Perplexity is doing with search. And I'm glad because I've been using it occasionally and now I can just keep everything in Kagi.

They're literally taking on competition here.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by freedomben »

Something I love about Kagi that isn't often known, is they will pro-rate based on days. If you are on an existing plan, you can upgrade to Ultimate, try it out for a few days, and then downgrade and only pay for the days you used it. I despise the subscription model generally, but if we're going to have it then I wish more companies would do pro-rating! Anyway, you can try it out for very low risk.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by Terretta »

dubme1 wrote: post #45

Paid Kagi user here. I REALLY wish Kagi would focus on it's core selling point: search. Building a search engine is hard enough. I use Kagi Search everyday and I am mostly happy with it but the product has a lot of room for improvment. Stop launching new products (browser, summarizer, gpt, assistant) while your core product is still behind the competition in many areas.

> core selling point: search

The people I know who like to dictate into their phones and who have OpenAI's iOS app tend to open ChatGPT to "search" before they open Google or Ask Siri now.

They're going to go to one thing first, and this puts Kagi as an option.

Apple's alleged integration with OpenAI is presumably rolling in to Sherlock this though.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by freedomben »

dubme1 wrote: post #45

Paid Kagi user here. I REALLY wish Kagi would focus on it's core selling point: search. Building a search engine is hard enough. I use Kagi Search everyday and I am mostly happy with it but the product has a lot of room for improvment. Stop launching new products (browser, summarizer, gpt, assistant) while your core product is still behind the competition in many areas.

The AI additions IMHO are search. Historically search gave us an ordered list of results, but there's no reason it needs to. The Kagi quick answer for example is phenomenal IMHO. Most of the time I am searching is because I need information for something. The "quick answer" and it's source citing can much more quickly tell me whether the results are worth a click. At this point I would hate to return to the old list of links output.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by doublerabbit »

I upgraded. Using the prompt: "something cool in html css"

Mistral and GPT - Create the same example of a flip card

Gemini - Creates glowing neon text

and Claude - Produces a pulsing dot, that enlarges and shrinks and radiates a fading white shadow. That's cool.

Re: Kagi Assistant

#78

Post by throwing_away »

I love Kagi and happily pay their $25/mo but I think it's a mistake to think of their offerings as cutting-edge AI. It's obviously limited compared to open source software (as mentioned elsewhere in this thread already) and likely more expensive than raw API calls. This isn't the "best" AI experience.

What it is though, is fast, available on all my devices, constantly upgraded, and integrated with their already excellent search engine.

When I see these sorts of announcements and read some of the comments here, it makes me worry that bad customers cause enshittification and I hope kagi stays true to their human-friendly web search product.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by freedomben »

SirYandi wrote: post #41
bangaladore wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use something like OpenRouter, which lets you access essentially all commercially available models. Including open-source models. There are no rate limits. You pay a different rate per model (OpenRouter shows the pricing transparently). You load your account with credits. I use it daily (undoubtedly far more than the average user) and loaded 50$ with credits five months ago, but I still have over 1/2 of it le…

Just plug your API keys into a front end like https://github.com/enricoros/big-AGI and pay as you go for all commercially available models

Have you tried open-webui?[1] I've been using that and really loving it, but wondering if I should try out big-AGI

[1]: https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by viraptor »

stagalooo wrote: post #12

I've been curious about Kagi as a search engine for a while now and this seems like a good time to try, given that I already pay $20/month for ChatGPT. The thing stopping me currently from trying this or Claude is I rely on the Opt+Space shortcut with the ChatGPT mac app. Are there any other options for a native mac app with integration as good as the ChatGPT app?

I don't know if they have shortcuts, but if not you could likely add some automation to do it: there's Msty and ChatBox that can use any model.
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