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Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by ABS »

crazygringo wrote: post #25
ABS wrote: post #2

looks great and, at the same time, it seems they didn't address the single biggest problem I (and many, many, many other people) reported over the years :-( I even wrote about it here on HN in 2021 and nothing has really changed on that front. I have a Remarkable 2 and the device is great, software is improving as well and taking notes is a joy BUT finding those notes later on is next to impossible. OCR is very bad a…

It's funny, I would have thought that OCR on handwriting on a tablet would be great, because they can capture each individual stroke, rather than just the final pixelated product. In other words, because you're witnessing it being written, there's a lot more information. In fact I wouldn't even call it OCR because it's not "optical", but rather "stroke" -- SCR? Is that something that exists? Is that what the tablet t…

there is no OCR on device fullstop, which in itself would be fine if it happened async in the background.

You can use the OCR feature only in the companion desktop app, explicitly selecting pages you want to run the process on. The result is better than it used to be but still not great and, importantly, it does NOT seem they make any difference if you later on do a search on the device

Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by mgkimsal »

WillAdams wrote: post #35

How much does the "Connect Subscription" cost? How well does the machine work w/o it? When will someone else make a device with this display? (I'm looking at you Amazon) Could we get this display in a larger size on a general-purpose tablet w/ stylus? (I still haven't found a replacement for my Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4110 and its daylight viewable transflective display) A smaller size for a cell phone? (with a stylus p…

I'm paying $2.99/month. Got mine last year, and used it, then didn't, and started again earlier this year - was using it daily for about 4-5 months. My daily routines changed and I've not used it as much, but will be picking it up again shortly. Was more for daily journaling and planning, but not as much 'in the workday' use. I think $29/year is an annual plan (looks like a new offering) - I may switch to that.

A feature I was using some is the 'desktop connect' thing - drawing on it is synced to the desktop app pretty much live (need a lot. But... considering some of the discussions I've been having lately, perhaps I do need it more. Trying to get data relationship concepts across to people seems to do better with pictures for some folks.

EDIT: Works fine without it and paid account. I think you even get a small amount of 'sync' data for free if you create an account (5meg or something?). I seem to remember I still had some stuff synced between desktop and device even before paying. I used it for months just as a standalone device with no issues.

The OCR stuff does send the data out to the cloud, and my experience is it's not that great, but my penmanship stinks, so it's more me than it.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by aDyslecticCrow »

ducktective wrote: post #5

Is this suitable for reading technical pdf textbooks (math, programming, etc)? Last I checked the screen size was smaller than A4 and ReMarkable had a focus on writing and taking notes rather than displaying books... So any suggestions here?

It's designed as a reading tablet with good pen support, so yes. And E-ink makes reading more comfortable than LCDs. For technical PDFs, size matters a lot. Normal reading tablets often resize the text to be easily readable, but PDFs cannot do that. So having a tablet of good size becomes a dealbreaker for such use-cases, more so than other features.

Remarkable lacks a backlight, and e-ink displays don't have deep blacks, so depending on your reading environment, it may be a bit low-contrast. I got a kobo elipsa myself for this reason. Kobu is notably cheaper and has a backlight which helps the contrast a bit, but the pen support is waaay worse.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by layer8 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #67
layer8 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

E-ink contrast is something like 1:15, it's pretty bad.

*) in the realm of electrophoretic displays or with strong ambient light, not compared to some 2000 nit OLED in the dark

My reference point is physical paper.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by antimoney »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #51
mtrovo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they announce they're locking this new device? I have a remarkable 2 and it's basically a stripped down version of Linux that you can SSH in and install whatever you want on it.

This feels like something some Chinese company can put out at much cheaper price, just a barebones large e-ink tablet, for hackers and tinkerers, with some linux distro with touch support, unlocked bootloader and ssh, powered by a microcontroller with mainline linux support, no fancy apps, no cloud service and no subscription, where they just supply the HW and the community on GitHub builds the SW for it, a-la RPi.

See https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-developer-edition/

Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #51
mtrovo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they announce they're locking this new device? I have a remarkable 2 and it's basically a stripped down version of Linux that you can SSH in and install whatever you want on it.

This feels like something some Chinese company can put out at much cheaper price, just a barebones large e-ink tablet, for hackers and tinkerers, with some linux distro with touch support, unlocked bootloader and ssh, powered by a microcontroller with mainline linux support, no fancy apps, no cloud service and no subscription, where they just supply the HW and the community on GitHub builds the SW for it, a-la RPi.

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Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by beAbU »

aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #37
crazygringo wrote: post #25

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It's funny, I would have thought that OCR on handwriting on a tablet would be great, because they can capture each individual stroke, rather than just the final pixelated product. In other words, because you're witnessing it being written, there's a lot more information. In fact I wouldn't even call it OCR because it's not "optical", but rather "stroke" -- SCR? Is that something that exists? Is that what the tablet t…

Apple newton did it. They required you to stroke your letters in a pedantically correct way because it used the stroke path, not the end pixel appearance, to detect letters.

I had a Sony-Erickson phone with a resistive touch screen and full keyboard and a stylus. Very futuristic for the aughts! They also forced writing letters in a very specific way, in order to trigger OCR.

Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by lidavidm »

plagiarist wrote: post #70
Rinzler89 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like something some Chinese company can put out at much cheaper price, just a barebones large e-ink tablet, for hackers and tinkerers, with some linux distro with touch support, unlocked bootloader and ssh, powered by a microcontroller with mainline linux support, no fancy apps, no cloud service and no subscription, where they just supply the HW and the community on GitHub builds the SW for it, a-la RPi.

I wish they would. Currently I think at best they're all running a custom Android OS, though.

Could consider a Kobo Elipsa. (I have a different Kobo device.) It runs some sort of Linux and you can install Koreader and a couple of other things. You can tweak a config file and set up the device without an account. Not sure how the writing experience compares to reMarkable, though (probably not favorably).

Re: ReMarkable Paper Pro

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Post by loughnane »

I've been a remarkable user for several years and have spent hundreds of hours I'm sure in front of the RM1 and RM2.

I love the increased storage (8GB goes fast with a bunch of scanned PDFs) and the addition of color (so long as it's as readable in sunlight).

However I'm stuck on the old 2.x fw versions because I don't like the infinite page thing they added, so I won't be upgrading. Also it'd be cool if they offered proper support for self-hosting rather than forcing us to use tools like rmfakecloud (which is great btw).

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