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> If an immigrant didn't start the company a legacy American like Mark Cuban or Gates would have. Or somebody in another country?
Other countries have had 20 times the population of America for centuries and yet pre H1b America invented all modern computing, the internet, etc etc as we know it. Not worried about other countries AT ALL.
not true
> the internet
www was invented at CERN by tim berner-lee though?
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> a legacy American like Mark Cuban From Wikipedia > His paternal grandfather changed the surname from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[14][15] His maternal grandparents were Romanian Jewish immigrants
Immigrant from Europe right? That's where everyone in America came from. Same culture, same history, same values. Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate. People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE. Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until th…
What about the people who were already there? Surely they'd still be a substantial portion of the population?
I guess they must have all left voluntarily because they didn't agree with Western values.
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> the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs want to close. Is this an actual immigration path that still remains open? I find it hard to believe.
No not really. Maybe in Ellis Island days. Most born Americans certainly have no fainest clue how hard it is to legally immigrate to the USA already.
Who knew.. that the racist plan to ensure the population stays white actually had the reverse effect.. 2024 and nothing's still being done about it because That's racist doh!
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Other countries have had 20 times the population of America for centuries and yet pre H1b America invented all modern computing, the internet, etc etc as we know it. Not worried about other countries AT ALL.
> all modern computing not true > the internet www was invented at CERN by tim berner-lee though?
but still I should expand my claim to say all modern computing was invented by Western countries
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Would you be okay with highly skilled immigrants then? Or would large amounts of them (us) piss you off as well? I consider the fact that anyone can come to America and become American regardless of ethnicity actually amazing. Fuck nation states where you need to look a certain way to be considered as one of them.
The people who used to live in the USA disagreed with you. “A long time ago, this land belonged to our fathers, but when I go up to the river, I see camps of soldiers on its banks. These soldiers cut down my timber, they kill my buffalo, and when I see that, my heart feels like bursting.” – Satanta, Kiowa Chief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_genocide_in_th... But almost all of them have been killed and…
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Immigrant from Europe right? That's where everyone in America came from. Same culture, same history, same values. Western civilization seems to create high trust societies that other cultures struggle to replicate. People say America was founded on immigration which is true but they neglect to say that it was immigration FROM EUROPE. Immigrants from non-western countries weren't allowed into America en masse until th…
>That's where everyone in America came from. What about the people who were already there? Surely they'd still be a substantial portion of the population? I guess they must have all left voluntarily because they didn't agree with Western values.
they got conquered if you look at history books
> they didn't agree with Western values.
you don't ever disagree with people who you share the same values and culture with?
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> deprive opportunities Jury is out on this one. Japan has hardly any immigration yet their wages stagnated. Canada has a ton of immigration and their wages are also stagnant. Europe is somewhere between Japan and Canada, with also stagnant wages. Nobody disputes wages are stagnant, but the degree to which skilled immigration suppresses wages is an area where economists are unsure or even tilting towards a 'no' answe…
> wages stagnated I don't really think wages are a proxy for opportunity as central banks can make currency worthless. There's computer science graduates in America who would take a job in their field for pittances just to be working in their field. > There are so many jobs that are available only in industrialized countries Well start! Half the startups in the 90s Americans built out of their garage.
People do not risk their lives and leave their families behind because they really love going to Cheesecake Factory everday in the US, it's because opportunities often flat out do not exist in their country for what they want to do.
Even among successful businesses founded in (currently or formerly) less industrialized countries, you will see that a huge proportion are actually state owned or backed (e.g. TSMC, Samsung)
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Because their country doesn't offer the same opportunities to achieve the things they believe they can in their new country. It's the main reason people emigrate. No one's going to build Nvidia in India or China, for instance, at least not back in the time that it was created in America.
America didn't used to be the country that offered those opportunities. Yet people built it and made it that way. Nothing is static people csn change anything These people need to do that in their own countries.
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> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs…
I don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.
Immigrants have made the country rich enough to give everyone ubi free housing and free healthcare. But Then Billionaires.
#immigrants-are-the-new-jews #stop-blaming-the-hand-that-feeds
( Of course, it's not billionaires per se, but Greed. Eg in countries like singapore, the Politicians are the problem. )
For a living example, take a look at UAE, although I'd say they could have treated immigrants a bit better.
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> wages stagnated I don't really think wages are a proxy for opportunity as central banks can make currency worthless. There's computer science graduates in America who would take a job in their field for pittances just to be working in their field. > There are so many jobs that are available only in industrialized countries Well start! Half the startups in the 90s Americans built out of their garage.
A person in the US founding a startup has access and exposure to the deepest capital markets in the world, the largest domestic market in the world, a stable legal and political environment, and a phenomenal talent pool. A person doing the same in e.g. Vietnam has access to almost 0 VC funding, tiny domestic market, his efforts are hindered by a capricious and restrictive legal and political environment and a very lo…
Apple was founded in a garage.
Time for people in other countries to do the same for their own country.
A good product or a good idea will surface.
Your excuses fall on deaf ears.