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The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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Re: The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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there was tyan, supermicro, and MSI? at least i thin my board with the dual pentium 60mhz chips was msi.

Pentium 60MHz was P5 though, not P54C ... if I'm not mistaken. IIRC the slowest P54C was the 75MHz one as they all had 1.5x multiplier or greater? Again, I wouldn't rule out my memory being wrong.

That sounds correct to me. Also, the P5 was a 5V design! Intel went to 3.3V soon after the very first Pentium CPUs.

Re: The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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So _that's_ what a Jacquard loom is. I've seen it mentioned often. Thank you.

There are some old Jacquard card stacks which are literally the oldest machine readable datasets in existence, a century before Hollerith.

The oldest datasets produced by humans intended to be read by machines. With our advances in digital image processing one could argue a cross section of a tree trunk is a "machine readable dataset"

Re: The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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A fun full-circle. The Jacquard loom was influential for input for early computers, and now the computer is influencing the output of looms

I thought the same thing reading this! I'm currently reading Prisoner's Dilemma by William Poundstone, which details the life of John von Neumann. According to his brother Nicholas, von Neumann likely got the idea to use punch cards for computers from the Jacquard loom. One of his father's (Maxwell von Neumann) clients at the turn of the century was a Jacquard loom manufacturer, and Max would evidently discuss his work with his kids everyday over supper.

Re: The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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I laughed at the bit where the gallery picked the wrong side of the rug to display, but this got me thinking -- presumably all the die photos we see are from the etched side of the wafer, what does it look like on the other side? Is it just all flat?

The other side is plain gray silicon; I've looked at the back side of dies by mistake many times. (Intel is starting to do power through the back side, which would make the back more interesting.)

Note that it's entirely transparent to some wavelengths of light, which is why a lot of die shots are taken from the backside, as it allows doing them non-destructively. You just cannot use visible light.

Re: The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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That's some serious...multithreading! (I applaud others for resisting such cringe, but I just couldn't help myself.)

The entirety would have complete faster if they only used green threads.

Maybe if they switched all code to Java, they can run it on a Loom?

Re: The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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A fun full-circle. The Jacquard loom was influential for input for early computers, and now the computer is influencing the output of looms

I thought the same thing reading this! I'm currently reading Prisoner's Dilemma by William Poundstone, which details the life of John von Neumann. According to his brother Nicholas, von Neumann likely got the idea to use punch cards for computers from the Jacquard loom. One of his father's (Maxwell von Neumann) clients at the turn of the century was a Jacquard loom manufacturer, and Max would evidently discuss his wo…

That doesn't make sense, since computers were using punch cards before von Neumann got involved.

Re: The Pentium as a Navajo Weaving

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The other side is plain gray silicon; I've looked at the back side of dies by mistake many times. (Intel is starting to do power through the back side, which would make the back more interesting.)

Note that it's entirely transparent to some wavelengths of light, which is why a lot of die shots are taken from the backside, as it allows doing them non-destructively. You just cannot use visible light.

Unfortunately it's not that easy. I was working with John McMaster to get backside die shots of the 386 using infrared but it didn't work out.
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