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The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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It’s interesting you mention “Nobody is textbook anatomy” I know you’re exaggerating for poetic effect but this might actually be true in some parts of the human anatomy. For example the description of the anatomy of vessels and anastomoses around the knee…I have had a professor tell me that the standard anatomical descriptions for this might all essentially be fiction. Basically the variation in some of these vessel…

No, really: nobody has completely textbook anatomy. Think of it like those blended-face photos. Anatomy books describe that.

"The average man doesn't exist."

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I really wish these articles cited more primary sources. I would love (and prefer) to review the empirical work that led to the communicated understanding of these systems.

Look up Polyvagal Theory by Stephen Porgess.

https://www.stephenporges.com/

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My favorite bugs are the ones that are too low priority to fix, like this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photic_sneeze_reflex The exact pathophysiology is still unknown but it’s a variation on “the nose nerves and the optic nerve are too close together”

The joy of explaining your sneezes every time you see a bright light during cold/flu/pandemic season. I'm surprised to see it affects 20+% of the population because I've never met anyone who knew what I was talking about when I said "sorry, light makes me sneeze"

For me, since childhood, it was a common fact that if one were almost going to sneeze but couldn't, they should quickly look at a bright source of light to succeed.

Lights don't trigger a full sneeze if I don't need to but it always helped.

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Physiological responses, the kind relayed from major body organs to the brain via the vagus nerve, are not necessarily your “mind” in the sense that they contribute towards your conscious actions or self-directed goals. But yeah, they send signals which can be interpreted one way vs. another depending on if you’re being mindful.

Arousal is especially interesting because you can compress a nerve in the right way and experience something you don’t actually feel or want to feel. Feelings, however, are not the “mind”, i.e. the self-directed, persistent and conscious entity.

I think it’s important to say this because people often fall into the trap of thinking physiological responses are indicative of consciousness.

Another cool thing about the vagus nerve is what happens when people get vagotomy (from Wikipedia)

> Researchers from Aarhus University and Aarhus University Hospital have demonstrated that vagotomy prevents (halves the risk of) the development of Parkinson's disease, suggesting that Parkinson's disease begins in the gastrointestinal tract and spreads via the vagus nerve to the brain.[24] Or giving further evidence to the theory that dysregulated environmental stimuli, such as that received by the vagus nerve from the gut, may have a negative effect on the dopamine reward system of the substantia nigra, thereby causing Parkinson's disease

Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Has anybody tried vagus nerve stimulation? I tried it but didn't get anywhere much.

Place your hands on the back of your head, with the fingers interlocked, and the thumbs pointing down gently pressing/rubbing on your neck.

Slowly move your eyes to any fixed direction (say, to the right) and keep your eyes open, staring to the right.

This will initiate a yawn or deep sigh in most people, stimulating vagus nerve.

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> The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection if it does, then the vagus nerve orchestrates the brain-body connection. the mind-body problem, or if you prefer the mind-brain problem, remains unsolved. and apparently, mind-brain confusion persists as well.

Part of the problem is the idea of mind-body duality. Your body is your mind, but a physiological reaction relayed from a nerve is only part of the equation that’s you.

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My vagus nerves were constantly being compressed until roughly 4 months ago, when I had bilateral Eagle's syndrome surgeries - Eagle's syndrome a hardening, calcification-ossification of ligaments that connect from the styloid process and wrap around the neck connecting to front of throat; I had played American football for all of high school and most likely the cause from reptitive injuries/trauma to the tissues. We…

My story is very similar. Have had tons of pain and muscle related problems for decades - played a ton of sports like you when i was a kid, and did a lot of physical risk-taking too (skateboarding, bmx-style biking taking them off jump-ramps...) and also had lots of injuries. On top of chronic pain, I had (and still have but is greatly reduced) muscle clenching on the left side of my body - for some reason my body on…

You describe exactly what I experience. I can't afford to see specialists so in the past 15 years, I have taken time to listen to my body in an attempt to figure it out. It's been a long journey of self-discovery and healing but the progress I have made have been worth it. I recently discovered that I had bruxism as a child and wonder if that caused the TMJ. I also started eating dates and that helps alleviate some of the tightness I feel on the left side of my body.
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