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Re: Starlink's financial assets frozen in Brazil

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Post by hkpack »

lobocinza wrote: post #67
hkpack wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unelected foreign billionaire as a bonus doesn't force me to pay taxes or force me to use X. I see this sentiment almost everywhere in the world: people rightfully afraid of their own governments and willfully grant influence over their country to the foreign and often enemy state. This is a systems problem with positive feedback loop, which means that whoever wins will have all the influence and control over the p…

You're assuming that the interests of the state are aligned with the interests of the people which is a false premise. The state is a parasitic organism and those in power will always seek their own interests and those of their allies. What liberal democracy achieved is to somewhat bind the interests of the rulers to those of the majority of the population. But this is history as soon as the state starts to control t…

> You're assuming that the interests of the state are aligned with the interests of the people

No, I don’t assume that. I am very well aware that the reality is much more complex.

Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea are using Twitter very effectively to divide people in targeted countries. From what I see, Musk is using free speech to effectively help these states achieve their goals. And personally, I don't know yet why he is doing that.

Twitter is no longer an answer to fighting authoritarianism. It was in the previous decade, but that time is gone now.

No more positive change is driven by the Twitter and similar platforms, it is more of divisive and destructive propaganda machine.

Re: Starlink's financial assets frozen in Brazil

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Post by andrenth »

vitorgrs wrote: post #49
frozenlettuce wrote: post #35

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They are complying with local laws. For more absurd that it may seem, they are receiving requests from the Supreme Court to do illegal stuff.

It's the Justice who interprets the law. 800 million people are in prison right now in Brazil. They can say all their arrest are illegal. That doesn't mean anything.

Of all the ridiculous dictator bootlicker replies in this thread, this one takes the prize. Brazil's population is ~215 million.

Let me call a judge to report your misinformation.

Re: Starlink's financial assets frozen in Brazil

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Post by lobocinza »

maxglute wrote: post #70
lobocinza wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that the interests of the state are aligned with the interests of the people which is a false premise. The state is a parasitic organism and those in power will always seek their own interests and those of their allies. What liberal democracy achieved is to somewhat bind the interests of the rulers to those of the majority of the population. But this is history as soon as the state starts to control t…

You're assuming a politically active billionaire's interest of a hegemonic country with platforms staffed by "ex" security/intelligence of said country are are aligned with interests of countries they deem adversarial. Like it or not that's why everyone is enamored with the PRC model, because it's simply treasonous to allow the captured interest of a foreign billionair ("seek their own interests and those of their al…

Non sequitur. My loyalty is first and foremost towards God, myself, my family, my friends and extended family, my community, my ideals. It makes zero sense to speak of loyalty towards the state when the state interests are not only not aligned but sometimes diametrically opposed to the interests of its citizens. As a matter of fact nobody cares for the state interests except fools and those that benefit from it like state employees. Frequently not even the ruling party cares because their own interests are foremost and first and unlike a monarch they have a much lower time preference.

You talk of Musk but he is a drop in the ocean of foreigners influencing the domestic information sphere. Let's ban Instagram, Youtube and all other foreign platforms, let's ban the Internet and have a country-wide intranet, let's ban all foreign NGOs and think tanks, let's ban Soros (talking about politically active billionaires), let's ban foreign news agencies and journalists, bye bye CNN, DW, BBC, etc. I suspect the only reason you're isolating Musk is because of the ongoing US cultural war and you being team blue.

Re: Starlink's financial assets frozen in Brazil

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Post by hkpack »

lobocinza wrote: post #73
maxglute wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming a politically active billionaire's interest of a hegemonic country with platforms staffed by "ex" security/intelligence of said country are are aligned with interests of countries they deem adversarial. Like it or not that's why everyone is enamored with the PRC model, because it's simply treasonous to allow the captured interest of a foreign billionair ("seek their own interests and those of their al…

Non sequitur. My loyalty is first and foremost towards God, myself, my family, my friends and extended family, my community, my ideals. It makes zero sense to speak of loyalty towards the state when the state interests are not only not aligned but sometimes diametrically opposed to the interests of its citizens. As a matter of fact nobody cares for the state interests except fools and those that benefit from it like…

> Let's ban Instagram, Youtube and all other foreign platforms, let's ban the Internet and have a country-wide intranet, let's ban all foreign NGOs and think tanks, let's ban Soros (talking about politically active billionaires), let's ban foreign news agencies and journalists, bye bye CNN, DW, BBC, etc.

Of course we should have laws for all of them to follow.

Isn’t that obvious? No-one gives CNN a free pass to broadcast whatever they want on the sovereign territory of any state.

The same applies to other entities from your list: there should be no difference between Soros, Musk, Zuckerberg or some NGO in terms of following state rules.

Re: Starlink's financial assets frozen in Brazil

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Post by vitorgrs »

andrenth wrote: post #72
vitorgrs wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the Justice who interprets the law. 800 million people are in prison right now in Brazil. They can say all their arrest are illegal. That doesn't mean anything.

Of all the ridiculous dictator bootlicker replies in this thread, this one takes the prize. Brazil's population is ~215 million. Let me call a judge to report your misinformation.

This is called a typo :)

I meant hundreds, obviously. Typo is still not ilegal :(

Re: Starlink's financial assets frozen in Brazil

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Post by cesarb »

cesarb wrote: post #21

Does anyone know where we can find a copy of the official order? So far, I only found the previous one ( https://noticias.stf.jus.br/postsnoticias/stf-intima-elon-mu... has a link to it). (The twitter link isn't working for me, it only shows an error message followed by a reload link, so I don't know whether it has a link to a copy of the official order.)

I couldn't find the original order anywhere, but I could find a later order rejecting Starlink's request against this order: https://noticias.stf.jus.br/postsnoticias/stf-rejeita-acao-c... (direct link: https://noticias-stf-wp-prd.s3.sa-east-1.amazonaws.com/wp-co...).
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