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A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by 015a »

potsandpans wrote: post #44

This kind of drama seems to exist very specifically to programming language design and implementation. Probably has something to do with the codified formal structures necessary for various committees/ decision making groups. But it's interesting. This kind of stuff happens in ECMA, Rust, Python and a few others. Go seems to have escaped. Maybe because it's a corporate owned Lang? Similarly no drama in the Typescript…

To take a stab at my perception of why this is: Its the same reason why everyone and their mother has an opinion on note taking; programming language design is a topic that has a comparatively low skill floor to have an opinion on. Its difficult to have an opinion on how, I don't even know, drivers should communicate with each other in the linux kernel, see I can't even come up with a great example of the kinds of discussions they have because the skill floor is reasonably high. Its more common to hear "We gotta bring Rust to linux"; even more common still is "Rust is too complicated" "too verbose" "we should change X Y Z" whatever.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by ThinkBeat »

This type of behavior is abusing the members of the community. Code of conducts should contain language to dissuade bureaucrats from participating and especially from attempts at grabbing power.

As well as a straightforward way to report bureaucrats and have them removed from the community.

Based on the same process as other abuses that may already be included int the code of conduct.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by beedeebeedee »

mc32 wrote: post #33
khazhoux wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f** is this? Unintenti**l irony

I hope that's just a rib. Else, one should be able to tell self control over stamping authority over others. Very few people openly speak their inner monologue, uncensored just releasing their stream of consciousness like a delirious hobo down a stench filled alleyway.

I speak my "inner monologue" and it is nothing like delirium or stench. Not sure who you are or who you're hanging out with, but better to get the stench out than let it fester.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by khazhoux »

yarg wrote: post #46
mc32 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell, has everyone caught and gone gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f*** is this? How in the hell do you have the balls or ovaries to ban the creator --for something so inane. It's like a highscool supe who gets no respect and will at every chance show you the little power she has in such a classless way. So utterly petty defying belief. I hope those dweebs get voted out pronto. That's an absurd abuse…

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You are making a general point, but does it apply specifically?

Here's the Python Code of Conduct for communication on official Python forums, and comm+behavior at official Python events: https://policies.python.org/python.org/code-of-conduct

What specific items do you disagree with?

* The top section "Our Community" is just general stuff like "be respectful." Is that a problem?

* The list of "Inappropriate Behavior" for meatspace Python events, what is wrong with it? Harassment, Deliberate intimidation, stalking, Incitement of violence, Insults, put downs, or jokes that are based upon stereotypes...

I'm sure we will all find some items we disagree with (really, no reference to "hugs"???) but you are challenging the very premise of a CoC.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by dumbo-octopus »

potsandpans wrote: post #44

This kind of drama seems to exist very specifically to programming language design and implementation. Probably has something to do with the codified formal structures necessary for various committees/ decision making groups. But it's interesting. This kind of stuff happens in ECMA, Rust, Python and a few others. Go seems to have escaped. Maybe because it's a corporate owned Lang? Similarly no drama in the Typescript…

Corporate drama happens behind closed doors. It’s in the best interests of everyone at the company to present a unified vision, so that’s what happens.

Additionally, corporate structure is typically much more hierarchical. If someone has a complaint they can take it up with Anders, if he disagrees that’s it (unless your name happens to be Scott G or Satya N). This is, by and large, a good and efficient way to structure things.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by gtirloni »

lovecg wrote: post #62
EvanAnderson wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an outsider who only knows Guido van Rossum by way of interviews his writing. Assuming your quote is what the original text said (I don't disbelieve you-- but nobody can see it to confirm) why would this have violated community standards? Is there some rule about not mentioning "un-persons" or something? It's very confusing. Edit: Answering my own question. There appears to be a kerfuffle afoot. Apparently the St…

Wow, just wow. Reading all these makes me really worried about supporting anything built on Python long term. This creates an impression of a self-destructing dying community.

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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by khazhoux »

mc32 wrote: post #33
khazhoux wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f** is this? Unintenti**l irony

I hope that's just a rib. Else, one should be able to tell self control over stamping authority over others. Very few people openly speak their inner monologue, uncensored just releasing their stream of consciousness like a delirious hobo down a stench filled alleyway.

It was funny that you censored yourself, in a comment about censorship, that's all :-)

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by FireBeyond »

scoofy wrote: post #38

I prefer the Jimmy Wales version of authority. The project operates democratically, but Jimmy always retains the ultimate authority to act as a sovereign at the end of the day because he built it, has the reputation of the project to protect, and it's his legacy. The option to fork the project will always be there if the people want new leadership.

> The project operates democratically

I have not paid attention in years, and with the acknowledgment that some of the contributors there were their own worst enemy and/or not without sin, but you should really poke around http://wikipediareview.com/ - to see just how untrue that often is.

(I'm talking confidential email lists, whose existence is not to be confirmed, IRC channels, brigading, and far worse).

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